<p>I honestly don’t find the flip-flop of Georgetown and Berkeley to be that surprising…they’re pretty much peer schools.</p>
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<p>First, I appreciate that you can understand the difference in “admitted” and “enrolled” students. As you intimated, the differences seem to shrink a bit in admitted students.</p>
<p>Secondly, you’d probably do better looking at statfinder to filter through things. There is less of a propping going on when you look through the statfinder lense. For one, statfinder, caps weighted gpa, so one doesn’t see the large mean/medians that could be reported if all courses were weighed. Secondly, I would stick with unweighted gpa because there are fluctuations among the high schools, even if we can’t see what students UCLA and Cal admit from oos or internationally, which have gone up this year for both.</p>
<p>You can even find how your high school did in placing students at UCLA and Cal and other Ucs from your high school. This is why UC is the most transparent university in the world.</p>
<p>Thirdly, UCLA has a greater burden from which to admit, geographically. You’ll notice in statfinder, that UCLA admits more from LA high schools than Cal, which seems natural because it’s in LA, despite the fact that both UCLA and Cal are “state” universities. </p>
<p>There are more underperforming high schools in LA (read: really lousy!), but UCLA will admit good amounts from high schools like Marshall and Fremont and a high school like Birmingham which used to be pretty good. These students have lower weighted-capped gpas, lower unweighted gpas, and pretty pedestrian SATs. </p>
<p>A lot of Ucs admit large amounts from Gunn and Palo Alto and the really good hss in NorCal. But UCLA has restricted itself in these admits because it feels (I’m not saying necessarily justifiably) it should admit more from LA. Yeah, with the gpas taht Gunn students report at UC, I’d love to see UCLA admit a lot more from taht school.</p>
<p>These geographic-specific admits in their regions is the chief difference in gpas/SATs between UCLA and Cal. And with the statfinder’s lense the differences are even more diminished.</p>
<p>Okay why the hell is Vandy like under top twenty every single year?? WHY? WHY?</p>
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<p>Give me 5 good reasons why it shouldn’t be</p>
<p>^ there are at least 20 schools that are academically stronger than Vanderbilt. But then again, USNews is not a ranking of academic quality, is it?</p>
<p>^well if that’s the case, US news got it pretty accurate since Vandy is 17. They have 16 schools ahead</p>
<p>yea easyabc, BC only has rich boston irish catholic kids. you’re pathetic for saying that, then trying to make an intelligent comment about US news’ anti-public bias. i’m going to BC and i’m neither from Boston, nor Irish.
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<p>BC>tufts </p>
<p>that’s just how it is</p>
<p>also, the religion bias is a joke. Duke is Methodist, so is Emory. They are 9th and 20th, which by no means is bad</p>
<p>i’m saying there’s a bias against catholics. methodists aren’t catholics.</p>
<p>Didn’t ND’s score go up like 4 points</p>
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I don’t see what you’re talking about. Your UCLA link wasn’t functioning so this is what I used.
[Profile</a> of Admitted Freshmen, Fall 2009 - UCLA Undergraduate Admissions](<a href=“http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/prospect/adm_fr/Frosh_Prof10.htm]Profile”>http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/prospect/adm_fr/Frosh_Prof10.htm)</p>
<p>The average weighted GPAs of admitted students were roughly the same. Berkeley’s was incrementally higher. 4.37 vs 4.39. The SAT of Berkeley was higher but not by too much. 2030 vs. 2085.</p>
<p>The data is much closer to “subtle difference” than “significantly” stronger if you asked me. UCLA has also been on the rise so I would not expect historical stats to remain relevant.</p>
<p>It’s actually due to the weak nature of Berkeley’s student body that I don’t understand why people rail about the university’s national rank. It certainly has rank 22 undergraduate students.</p>
<p>yea the all girls-liberal arts school ahead of BC. sure, whatever you say.</p>
<p>Typically, the PA scores of the Catholic colleges have been quite a bit lower than the schools just below them. The Catholic church has a pretty big bull’s eye on it due to its well-publicized stands on abortion, euthanasia, stem cell research, female priests, and homosexuality…a list of issues that is almost sure to ruffle the feathers of the majority of non-Catholics in higher education, including the ones who do the Peer Assessment ratings. Heck, a lot of Catholics themselves aren’t wild about the Catholic church’s positions on some of those topics…</p>
<p>“yea the all girls-liberal arts school ahead of BC. sure, whatever you say.” </p>
<p>Hey, I was a BC grad before you were born…but even I have to give the nod to Wellesley.</p>
<p>well i’m glad that my school’s PA score suffers because some people think a man should be able to marry another man. that’s great. and forget about BC, what about georgetown? where are they like 22? it’s a joke that they’re not in the top 15. an absolute joke.</p>
<p>edit- and i can’t take a school seriously if it doesn’t allow an entire half of the population to apply and it’s most famous alum is pantsuit woman.</p>
<p>“an absolute joke.”</p>
<p>Remember, these rankings are made to spark drunken barroom debates, and should not be interpreted as an accurate reflection of academic quality. If you think the people at Georgetown have a right to be ticked off, how 'bout the folks in Ann Arbor? There were several BC vs. Michigan threads this past spring, and the Michigan folks were brutal in attacking BC. I live in Michigan, and you’re not likely to find a prouder bunch than those Wolverines, but now they are only 2 spots ahead of BC. It’s already ticking them off that Notre Dame is ahead of them…if BC ever passes them, it will be REALLY nasty here…not anywhere near when-USC-passes-Berkeley nasty, or when-Notre-Dame-passes-an-Ivy nasty, but still plenty nasty.</p>
<p>^Looks like the virtual barroom fights have started, Schmaltz! And the show’s just beginning!</p>
<p>USC has passed UCLA. My life is complete.</p>
<p>This truly is an event to bring me back to College Confidential in who knows how long.</p>
<p>pbr, I can’t believe how much crap your Columbia is taking…hey, it’s the #1 school in the #1 city in the #1 country…shouldn’t surprise anybody that it has a lot going for it.</p>