<p>“USC has passed UCLA. My life is complete.”</p>
<p>Don’t get complacent. Next on your to-do list: Berkeley and Stanford</p>
<p>“it’s most famous alum is pantsuit woman.”</p>
<p>Hey, somebody has to wear pants in that family.</p>
<p>Stanford? It’d be at least 15 years I imagine and by then USC probably won’t even be on the rise anymore.</p>
<p>“Stanford? It’d be at least 15 years I imagine and by then USC probably won’t even be on the rise anymore.”</p>
<p>That’s it, get cocky. Rest on them there laurels. Who’d a thunk we’d see the day when Michigan and Tufts would be looking up at Wake Forest?</p>
<p>I like Schmaltz’s idea of observing a moment of silence for the saps who will infer significance to minor differences in rankings and allow that to influence their choice of where to spend their four years of college… Especially the potential Stanford and MIT applicants who are spending even a moment of hesitation.</p>
<p>“Especially the potential Stanford and MIT applicants who are spending even a moment of hesitation.”</p>
<p>But you know that it’s the most quantitative among us who will be most prone to thinking the numbers can’t lie…hope MIT hasn’t deleted its waitlist.</p>
<p>I’ll be looong out of school before USC catches Stanford, but I think it could happen, especially after USC completes their campus expansion plans. Also, USC would have to catch Caltech, the best school in the LA area, on the way.</p>
<p>As for Berkeley, it could happen soon if the main news stories coming from there are massive tuition increases, huge cuts, and the resulting protests.</p>
<p>Berkeley (except for EECS) is crap and can NEVER catch up to Stanford. Period. Stanford is just too awesome.</p>
<p>Secondly, USC is EXCELLENT, and I’m glad it beat UCLA. But i’m not too sure it can catch up to Stanford. Maybe. But I see it beating Berkeley over the years.
Secondly, US News is correct in placing Berkeley in 22. I don’t see why CCers like RML are still poignantly putting Berkeley on a pedestal.
This is undergraduate, not graduate.</p>
<p>Accept it.</p>
<p>“Also, USC would have to catch Calt"ech, the best school in the LA area, on the way”</p>
<p>I don’t think USC is worried about Caltech…all they need to do is send a busload of those cheerleaders over to Pasadena to put on a demonstration, and a week later half the student body and all the faculty would be have carpal tunnel in their mouse-holding hand.</p>
<p>Na. I’ve spent the last two summers researching at Caltech and the Pasadena City College girls are plenty fine.</p>
<p>Pasadena City College of course being the community college neighboring Caltech.</p>
<p>Finally USC is getting the recognition it deserves.</p>
<p>well schmaltz, umich should be nervous because they’re next. also our football team is a lot better :)</p>
<p>OMG! I LOVE YOU USC…FIGHT ON!!! bye bye UCLA…AHAHAH omg im lovin’ this</p>
<p>USC OVER UCLA!!! As a recent SC grad, this at least takes the sting away from our recent football sanctions…it’s been a rough year.</p>
<p>In all honesty though, I’m not surprised. A lot of people I know, myself included, matriculated to USC over ivies and other top 15 schools. Make all the snarky comments you want, but USC’s generous and plentiful MERIT BASED scholarships enabled a lot of middle to lower class students to attend an excellent & underrated private university in one of the most vibrant cities in the world DEBT FREE, or at least a hell of a lot closer to it. As a middle class non-minority applicant, neither Columbia nor Brown offered me a chance at securing debt free education…yet USC did, and thats why I went there.</p>
<p>To clarify: I don’t think that the academic brilliance of USC’s student base as a whole is on par with the brilliance of students from ivies + MIT, Stanford, Caltech. However, I do believe that at least the top 30% are right up there, and it’s nice to see the bump as some sort of official validation. USC is not just about frat parties, dominating football, and hot girls anymore!! They all do exist, very much so…but let’s add academic prestige and rigor to the list as well :].</p>
<p>^Yep, and my best friend chose USC with scholarship from NMSQT over Cornell. :)</p>
<p>Now that I think of it, its kind of unlikely for USC to rise more than a few ranks above Cal at best. Why?</p>
<p>USC has a huge student body. The only two universities in the top 25 with a comparable population are UCLA and Berkeley and USC is already above UCLA. There probably won’t be enough elite students to enroll in the university the better it gets.</p>
<p>does anyone know the full rankings for engineering? (doctorate as highest)</p>
<p>I realize this thread moves quickly, but I will put out the challenge again. Can ANYONE defend the ranking of UC Davis at #39 when over 25% of their students are BELOW the national average regarding their SAT CR score. UC Davis 25th% for CR: 490!!</p>
<p>I will add that UCSB is not much better at 530-640 (25-75 %), and similar scores in the other two categories. UC Irvine? Same story, 510-610 CR, 550-670 M. Averaged and summed for all three sections of the SAT, these are literally hundreds of points less than schools below it. I have nothing against these three schools, but top 50? Not on any rational planet.</p>
<p>I would think this would be a complete embarrassment for Morse and his crew. I think it is clear that the bias of the assessments and other factors are distorting the results beyond a defense.</p>
<p>where are you getting those number from? they are wrong</p>
<p>Fall 2009 average
UC Davis- 1887 <a href=“http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/pdf/ucd_chart.pdf[/url]”>http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/pdf/ucd_chart.pdf</a>
CR- 614
M- 650
W- 623</p>
<p>UCSB- 1863 <a href=“http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/pdf/ucsb_chart.pdf[/url]”>http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/pdf/ucsb_chart.pdf</a>
CR- 609
M- 634
W- 620</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.ucop.edu/news/factsheets/2010/freshman_admit_profile_2010.pdf[/url]”>http://www.ucop.edu/news/factsheets/2010/freshman_admit_profile_2010.pdf</a>
The SAT breakdowns for Fall 2010 have not been released yet but the totals have been:
UC Davis- 1902 (1272 CR+M) (630 W)
UCSB- 1882 (1255 CR+M) (627 W)</p>
<p>TheSaiyans666,</p>
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<p>I actually think that Stanford is superior to Berkeley in terms of academic quality at the undergrad level. I think HYPSM are superior to Berkeley too. I think Berkeley suffers a lot of issues right now and a lot of students don’t find it as attractive as HYPSM or any of the school ranked below HYPSM. Nevertheless, I think it’s hardly a “crap” school like you asserted. Far from it. </p>
<p>As to the claim that Berkeley will never catch up on Stanford, I think it depends. If Berkeley will start to reevaluate itself and start to take the criteria seriosly, it will catch up eventually. I think all Berkeley would do is cut the size of its intake. </p>
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<p>I’m not putting Berkeley on the pedestal. I just think it deserves to be in the top 15 or 18. But then again, USNews is not a ranking of academic quality, so it’s acceptable that Berkeley would not be ranked in the top 20.</p>
<p>“Berkeley (except for EECS) is crap and can NEVER catch up to Stanford. Period. Stanford is just too awesome.”</p>
<p>The Dookie speaks. What a hypocrite! I had you pegged correctly all along.</p>