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<p>I’ll second that.</p>
<p>uh huh. sure.
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-virginia/635665-sat-act-25th-75th-percentile.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-virginia/635665-sat-act-25th-75th-percentile.html</a></p>
<p>I wonder, should the governor’s twins (incoming freshmen at UVA) experience any negative educational situations this year, similar to what hazelorb and shoebox described earlier, could their complaints to dear old dad make the Gov more aware of how his budgetary decisions are affecting our state schools? By having kids in higher education right now, at a state school like UVA, will he be more in tune with how his and his appointees’ decisions impact those students? Time will tell I guess.</p>
<p>I agree hazel. A majority of OOS students attended private schools in their secondary educations (when I say this, it’s because EVERY friend of mine that’s OOS went private. Yes, every single one) Therefor, they can afford UVa. Heck, private schools around DC are actually more expensive than UVa OOS. It’s unfortunate that we have such an excellent school that’s IS for kids. But UCs, UNC-CH, UMich, and UT-Austin are all fantastic IS schools and there isn’t the same amount of whining about charging OOS higher tuition.
The fact is that for most kids who go IS, they’re parents have been paying taxes for at least a few years to VA (let’s make the assumption that most parents don’t move their kids in the middle of high school). Lots went private so they have never even seen their taxes. Why should IS continue to pay a ridiculous amount? OOS kids, however, have plenty of schools, like Hazel said. Let them pay out of their nose to make up for the fact that they’ve never contributed in taxes. Get a taxable job in VA during your 4-years? Fine, get a discount on tuition.</p>
<p>Stupid BOV. And sorry but, stupid new President. This is UVa, we like being a smaller D-1 school that encourages a close relationship between professors and students. You can barely accomplish that now, much less with hundreds of more students. Write your senator if you need more money. Or don’t pull this BS and I’ll send you my $100 check. (Mind you, it’s getting sent in with clear instructions, but whatever). LAY DOWN THE IRON FIST CASTEEN!</p>
<p>UVAorBust: stop changing your opinion on here because you think that will help get you into UVA. First you’re all for higher enrollment. Now you’re disgusted at your possible school. No one on here can feel disgust unless you’ve seen the loveliness that public schools can be. And I was public K-college so I have a right to say this.</p>
<p>KandK: No. He’ll show up at events and everyone will love them all. A lot of students get favorable treatment due to their high donor or high-status parents. In a weird way, I like that about UVa, reaffirms the small school/elite vibe. At the same time, he’ll think UVa is perfect the way it is and leave it alone. He’s not the one deciding funding per school and people/voters would go ballistic if they find out he gives out special treatment. Yay politics</p>
<p>^ Well said shoebox. The first responsibility of a public university is to educated its residents. The oos tuition for Michigan is $48k. I think there is a lot of room to move up the $36k that the oos students currently pay. If my students went oos, where I never paid taxes to support those universities, I would expect to pay a premium. </p>
<p>I have a student that would like to consider UVa. If he applies and is not accepted, he will choose another school and be very successful there. If he is accepted and he has to attend another school because the in state tuition has been raised to the point where it is no longer a financial option… That is when the commonwealth of Virginia, and the University of Virginia has failed to serve its residents.</p>
<p>Sidenote: I wanted to attend UT-Austin for engineering, badly. Really badly. However, their OOS tuition is sky high and I couldn’t justify graduating with a lot of federal loan debt. So I “settled” and went IS 
But, a lot of it was due to OOS status at another school was not going to be worth the education in the long run. You don’t see me complaining to UT…UT just continues to raise their OOS and pamper IS! Go Longhorns</p>
<p>If UVA increases their enrollment, I can’t help but think that the stats of the overall incoming freshman class will indeed go down; there are only so many students out there applying to schools who have top scores. With UVA currently at #24 on USNWR list, they will invariably fall out of the top 25 if the acceptance rate goes up. The problem I see is that students with phenomenal stats choose UVA because of the fit BUT ALSO because of the reputation and prestige. Let’s face it, most kids who are fortunate enough to gain acceptance to UVA are those high achieving kids who want the best. They’ve worked hard in high school, are at the top of their class, and want to have something to show for it. Furthermore, they want the opportunities they’ve been told will follow if they attend a highly ranked school. Quite simply, many of these high achieving (and high paying OOS) students will no longer be interested in applying to UVA; it will lose some of its exclusivity which draws in many applicants. They certainly have other options and will go elsewhere.</p>
<p>hazelorb and shoebox…as a full-paying OOS parent, I realize what a good value UVA is and would certainly be willing to pay more provided it continues to remain a good value. If the school’s rates go up significantly but the ranking and stats of the overall applicant pool decrease, it obviously would no longer be classified as a good value to me.</p>
<p>blueiguana, you and I think a lot alike. Should the rise in tuition continue for the IS residents of VA, I think you will see a lot of very smart students take advantage of the merit aid given by competitive out of state universities. I saw a hint of this at graduation when 10 of the top 25 kids in our hs went south to USC (Columbia) and Alabama. Most all got into one of the top state schools, (UVA, WM, VT) but couldn’t justify spending more money to stay IS. Those southern schools are recruiting heavier every year in our area. I think they see the opportunity and are benefitting in the long run. </p>
<p>shoe: “He’s not the one deciding funding per school and people/voters would go ballistic if they find out he gives out special treatment.”… no he doesn’t dole out funds per school, but he does play a big part in determining our state budget. As a parent with a career in education, I would like for him to give out “special treatment” to state education in general, K-12 and beyond. Like most politicians, he talks the talk, but doesn’t walk the walk imho. </p>
<p>jc40 “I realize what a good value UVA is and would certainly be willing to pay more”…I’m betting that your thoughts are what the BOVs are banking on and in the near future the OOS costs will go up at all Virginia state unis. That will be the first step they take I think.</p>
<p>Stop knocking OOS. OOS students boost UVA’s academic profile and also subsidize the significantly lower IS tuition. They need higher SAT scores and GPAs than IS to be admitted. If you reduce the percentage of OOS students accepted, the school becomes less competitive. Many state universities have increased the number of OOS accepted. UCONN has improved its reputation considerably by accepting more OOS. Many lesser quality IS are being rejected. So what. Work harder in high school. You are not entitled to go to UVA or W&M or UCONN.</p>
<p>KandK: agreed. 110%. I guess my point was that he can’t say “gee more money for UVa but not any other VA school”. He should put pressure on the state govt to spend more on all schools, all level of education. Maybe since he’s got a child in higher education he’ll at least vie for more college support, it’s a start :)</p>
<p>swim: no one’s knocking OOS. Again, I agree with you too, OOS students were probably, on a whole, the smartest third at the school. I seemed to get along with OOS students more, in fact, because they brought diversity to the school. I don’t think many people support the lowering of OOS students because a) it cuts this diversity and b) it cuts down on the profit from OOS tuition (like you said).<br>
High five to your post, it reminds everyone the importance of OOS. But I don’t think, and many on here seem to be arguing this, they should be entitled to cheap tuition. Just like IS shouldn’t guarantee you admittance to top schools. There seems to be widespread support for raising tuition for OOS so that numbers can be retained on all levels. Just raising the amount of students admitted isn’t going to do anything.</p>
<p>Wow, Hazelorb your post made me pretty happy. Reading that the admissions officer said that the OOS SAT average is only 10-20 points higher is pretty good news. The average ACT to UVA is a 28-32. Meaning that the mid 50% for OOS should be right around a 30 :). I’ve been thinking about my chances of getting into UVA and I’m figuring that the deciding factor is going to be my essay. I still remember the speech at the tour 3 years ago about not writing a Mc’essay and believe me I’m going to write an amazing rare dish essay. Probably going to be considered shark-fin-soup-essay instead of a Mc"essay.</p>
<p>Everyone here seems to be thinking OOS students get a free ride… the article in the OP says that OOS kids pay 239% of their actual costs. They’re not avoiding costs by going to UVa without having paid taxes in Virginia.</p>
<p>I don’t think anyone thinks OOS is getting a free ride. I think they’re just saying it’s not wrong to charge them more. I think the question is whether or not UVA will continue to be a good value for OOS if tuition continues to rise. </p>
<p>D’s first choice was UMich. We are Virginia residents. COA for UM? $48k plus. Merit scholarship and other aid left us with an $18k gap. Didn’t happen. Happily, she loves UVA.</p>
<p>I would pay 50k a year to go to UVA. Its just as good as schools like BC, but probably better.</p>
<p>^^^
Rodman,
Percentage aside, UVa’s instate tuition is among the highest in the state. Raising it will widen that gap. Tuition for OOS tuition is considerably lower than universities considered to be at the same caliber. As I stated before, Michigan OOS tuition is $48k. Private universities are generally $50k+. In this context UVa OOS students are getting a pretty good deal.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to see what that percentage is compared to how much stuff there SHOULD be – such as a proper number of TAs for intro courses, supplies, buses, dining, etc.
I wonder what the percentage of OOS class giving is to IS. I mean at first you would think it would be higher, but considering the resementment at having to pay more than your fair share and having already pre-paid class giving in that mindset, the percentage could actually be very different…</p>
<p>I don’t understand why schools like UNC and UVA don’t charge what private schools do for OOS students… I mean applying from OOS is like applying to Georgetown. OOS should be charged more…</p>
<p>Because the lower tuition makes them competitive compared to those private schools, and if you charge too much of a price difference, you will end up with a rich-OOS vs poor-IS class rift like exists at UMich.</p>
<p>“you will end up with a rich-OOS vs poor-IS class rift like exists at UMich.”</p>
<p>Thank you for pointing this out hazelorb. Something I honestly didn’t think of. I’m sure TPTB are keenly aware of this. I would think there is still a point above the current OOS tuition that can be charged while keeping UVa preferable to OOS students above other highly selective universities, without creating this type of rift. A fine line to walk.</p>
<p>I think it already exists, sort of. Many kids from NoVa, VA beach, Richmond, and the other “bigger areas” have parents with income levels similar to OOSers, which leads to somewhat of an inability for a poor-IS class to form. OOS kids generally have wealthier parents, especially since a majority went to private school for at least secondary. But you do get some that are AccessUVA (knew two). So it’s a weird mix. Maybe AccessUVA and the general dynamics of VA will prevent the rich-OOS, poor-IS mix from ever happening?</p>
<p>Another “broad generalizations derived from my personal experiences” disclaimer about everything above</p>