<p>coronax- good link to details about Cho-
does anyone know what Ismail Ax means?
It was written in red ink on the shooters arm?</p>
<p>“The note included a rambling list of grievances, according to sources. They said Cho also died with the words “Ismail Ax” in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.”</p>
<p>This boy has lived in the U.S. for many years, and if his family had emigrated here from, for example, Italy, the news media would not be referring to him as Italian. So it is very unfortunate that due to obvious physical characteristics, all sorts of races were being named yesterday, including Chinese and Asian. </p>
<p>The family are permanent residents of the U.S., which means that they did not take the final step of becoming U.S. citizens. Would they be referred to differently if they had become U.S. citizens in 2006?</p>
<p>This is obvious the result of one individual who found it difficult to fit into society. Maybe there is some cultural thing in this young man’s upbringing that inhibits him from opening up to others, but I sure wish that young people today would seek help if they are having problems. God knows, there must have been plenty of resources on campus that this kid could have gone to.</p>
<p>UVA has declared today **National Orange and Maroon Day<a href=“V-Tech%20colors”>/b</a>. With how electronically connected today’s college students are, the word is spreading fast. My D on a campus 1000 miles away from V-Tech is wearing their colors today.</p>
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<p>PLEASE don’t start anything like that. We all know that depression, violence and psychological disorders know no barriers. (heard of Tim McVeigh?)</p>
<p>Also Cho’s sister is a graduate of Princeton University. Cultural thing.</p>
<p>My feeling on the gun control issue
I’d love it if the only people who had guns were law enforcement people but we are way too far away from that. People do like to go hunting with rifles (I can’t stand that either, but it’s reality) but rifles shoot one bullet at a time. The problem is that we have assault weapons, machine guns, rapid fire guns readily available with little or no licensing needed. There are loopholes with buying guns at gun shows than at stores. It’s a terrible situation. And we can’t get everyone to walk their guns to the nearest police station and turn them in, even if that’s what the law said or what the people decided. We have gotten our world in a bad place. The only thing we can do at this point, is to try and stop automatic weapons from being sold to everyday people- all automatic weapons are for is for mass killings, like this one. Another thing is to stop selling the ammunition for those guns, without any warning, so people can’t stock up. The problem with that is now that we have the internet, anyone can have access to almost anything. Something will have to change in our world to stop these people from this kind of damage to so many peoples lives.</p>
<p>Prowlin Panther, as a nation we are trying to eliminate the idea of collective or group guilt. And anyway, for all intents and purposes, the gunman was an American.</p>
<p>I am tearful but quite encouraged by the selfless acts of Professor Librescu and of Ryan Clark, the Dormitory Head Resident. They understandably could have chosen to flee, knowing that otherwise they would likely be harmed.</p>
<p>Chocoholic, why the angry statement (No. 385)? I don’t see any malevolence in evaluating that possible factor in Cho’s likely frustration/anger/depression.</p>
<p>chocoholic–yes you are right, these are just monsters of our society.</p>
<p>He didn’t buy the guns legally.</p>
<p>since when do those selling illegal weapons give reciepts?
He was found with two reciepts in his backpack</p>
<p>Its common sense, that the more weapons are out there- whether held illegally or legally obtained, the more weapons are out there to be in the hands of criminals.
as I posted earlier, my neighbor had 2 weapons stolen out of his house and he didnt even know when they were taken ( he still has a third)
he had registration for all of them, but it doesn’t really matter now does it?</p>
<p>LW, don’t know where you are seeing anger in my statement? It was just a request not to analyze the boy’s ‘culture’. In my lovely town, I see so much cultural ignorance and hear ugly statements about other amazing cultures from people of this 250-year-old ‘culture’</p>
<p>Thank you janesmom1, for seeing the point I was making.</p>
<p>Okay, Drudge Report has interesting articles about this individual. Don’t know how to make a link but it is quite interesting that one of his english prof found him to be “troubled”.</p>
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<p>Our hearts go out to the students, staff, faculty and members of the entire Virginia Tech University community for the senseless, unexplained and tragic loss of life that occurred today in Blacksburg. We share the pain of our colleagues at Virginia Tech, as well as that of the higher education community and our nation at large as we continue to learn of the expanded scope of this tragedy. We extend our deepest sympathies to the families and friends of those lost in this horrific event, and offer our good will and support to help all affected.</p>
<p>As professionals in college health and higher education, we remain dedicated to providing compassionate, high-quality care and services, and to fostering a safe environment in which students can learn and grow. Let us renew our commitment to end campus violence and the conditions from which it arises through education, research, and effective violence prevention programming that supports our communities. As we continue to move ahead, we do so with resolve and professionalism, and we should take special care to assist our Virginia Tech colleagues and students in whatever ways possible during this difficult period.</p>
<p>Dorothy Kozlowski, MSN, RN, NPC
President, American College Health Association</p>
<p>Stop that thinking right now, Prowlin! Just stop it! You have NOTHING to feel bad about. You have NO CONNECTION to this atrocity. None.</p>
<p>There were five UW-Madison graduate engineering students and three UW-Madison faculty members on VT’s campus yesterday. The article below article discuss them, and gives a pretty good perspective about what colleges can and can’t do.</p>
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<p><a href=“http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/local/index.php?ntid=129652&ntpid=1[/url]”>http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/local/index.php?ntid=129652&ntpid=1</a></p>
<p>For those that think mass killings only happen here:</p>
<p>Victor Ernest Hoffman (Shell Lake murders, in Shell Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada. August 15, 1967)
Woo Bum-Kon (Sang-Namdo, South Korea, killing 57, 1982)
Denis Lortie (National Assembly of Quebec, May 8, 1984)
Jeremy Bamber (farmhouse family murders, Tolleshunt D’Arcy, Essex, England, 1985)
Michael Ryan, (Hungerford massacre, Berkshire, UK), 1987
Marc L</p>
<p>As the names and faces are put on the airways - the reality just becomes that much more.</p>
<p>The saddest thing that I have seen on the news was last nite when a local TV station was interviewing a mother in MA who had not been able to reach her son - she had called all the hospitsals - the police - the school - every where she could think of - with no info forthcoming - she was told she would have to wait until today to find out if her son was involved in any way - killed/injured/missing. She was just sooo forlorn and you could just see the pain in her face - tho she was very gracious at the same time.</p>
<p>2 hours later at 11pm - the news reported that her son had been killed. Trying to put myself in her place - I couldn’t even begin to - it was just too painful - and to watch this woman …</p>
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<p>I am amazed at the ignorance concerning gun laws especially when that ignorance is used to promote an agenda. Fact is machine guns are legal in about half the states but the registration and licensing is intensive. I am going through it right now. You have to get photographed, fingerprinted and signed off on by the head of your local law enforcement agency and then the FBI does an intensive background check on you. It takes months to go through the process. And to legally buy a single shot rifle you still go through a background check with the NICS system, this is anywhere in the USA unless an individual state does their own more intensive check. The talk about gun show loopholes is just more ignorance. Every dealer has to abide by these same rules , gun show or retail shop. The ATF watches gun shows to make sure you are not dealing guns without a license. That is illegal. </p>
<p>The second amendment isnt about duck hunting. It was there so the government cant take away the peoples right to defend themselves and their country from threats from outside and inside the borders, including their own government. It is there to allow us to make sure we remain a free people
The biggest problem we face are the laws that violate that right and allow these crazies to prey upon the unarmed with impunity. </p>
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<p>The only way to stop acts such as these, guns or no guns, is by fighting back. Even then we can only minimize the results , no way to prevent them all and give complete security. To gain more security you give up as much or more in liberty.</p>
<p>Jeepmom— that is just awful. What one report said that it was hard to identify people because bodies were just all over the place and not near where their personal effects were.</p>