VA Tech shooting

<p>Of course, their son had a cell phone that took pictures, computer with computer games, money to hire strippers, money to rent hotel rooms, money to buy expensive weapons and ammunition, money to shop on ebay–credit card? A car? Petrol? How did he get to the gun shop? How did he get to the hotel? Is that what the police are hunting for? The money trail?</p>

<p>Two people working 6 days a week, 12 hours a day at $10 per hour would make $1440 per week, $72,800 per year. Not rich, but not poor by any stretch of the imagination-esp with no mortgage.</p>

<p>Was it the environment that tipped him–or perhaps he shouldn’t have been mainstreamed and the half dozen serious complaints against him should have been enough to toss him out of VT. This child had structural issues from the time he was born. He was appraently very high functioning academically, but completely non-functional socially. Completely. Mainstreaming a kid like that is criminal. </p>

<p>What about the "too poor to get help " scenario? In the best light, they were in denial. They perhaps wanted to hold on to hope that he would ‘outgrow’ his mental deficiencies. In the worst light, they refused to get him proper treatment out of pride and then manipulated the US system to get academic training for a boy they knew was very very unwell.</p>

<p>Some of the Cho family estrangement from family and neighobrs and Korean church members also doesn’t make sense. Traditional Korean values place poeple first–over money and over ambition.</p>

<p>Some much speculation. So little information.</p>

<p>Hey tsdad, you think so?</p>

<p>An “escort” who dances in a hotel room? Yup, she’s a “dancer” all right. ;)</p>

<p>Oh wait, she’s just a <em>stripper</em>. Didn’t they used to call them prostitutes? </p>

<p>Oh, how PC we have become! :eek:</p>

<p>Actually, she is just a dancer, and not a prostitute. She was interviewed on T.V. and said that he attempted to touch her and she asked him to back off, and he did. So. </p>

<p>It is amazing how everyone knows so much.</p>

<p>A “dancer” who agrees to go to a hotel room alone with a man and strip? </p>

<p>OK :rolleyes:</p>

<p>I don’t know how to post links, but I thought this quote would be particularly appropriate for the parents forum… it’s from an article about VT students who went home last week to be comforted by their families. I’m sure there were a lot of parents who were, for once, thrilled to be doing their kids’ laundry.</p>

<p><a href=“http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=123310&ran=221631&tref=po[/url]”>http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=123310&ran=221631&tref=po&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>"Crook has remained quiet, his mother said. He had spent hours Monday locked in his dorm, his only view that of the long line of ambulances parked one floor below, and of rescue workers filling them with bloodied students. One of his teaching assistants was killed.</p>

<p>When he reached home, his spirits noticeably brighter, he apologized for arriving with dirty laundry.</p>

<p>"I said, ‘I’m just glad you could bring me your dirty laundry,’ " his mother said. “I’d be glad to do your whole dorm’s laundry.” "</p>

<p>Speculation vs. facts — Yes, that is why I posted about their ability to pay off a $145,000 mortgage. They have been protrayed by the media as immigrants living in poverty. The mortgage payoff, and the points cheers makes about Chou’s ability to buy guns, ammo, hotels, strippers, etc. are facts that show the poverty speculation to be incorrect.</p>

<p>Working long hours pressing suits is not an easy life. It is a difficult, working-class existance. But living in a paid-off townhouse and having a Princeton grad in the family doesn’t jive with the original portrayal of the family.</p>

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Amen, Irene.</p>

<p>I agree that the poverty thing isn’t quite ringing true. But regarding Cho’s recent purchases: maybe he figured he’d live it up a little (strippers, hotel rooms) since he wouldn’t be around to have to deal with the financial consequences. Clearly he’s not someone who would be overly concerned about sticking his parents with the bill.</p>

<p>“Working long hours pressing suits is not an easy life. It is a difficult, working-class existance. But living in a paid-off townhouse and having a Princeton grad in the family doesn’t jive with the original portrayal of the family.”</p>

<p>It does jive if one’s familiar with Asian immigrants who moved to the U.S. for better economic and educational opportunities. They work extremely hard to get ahead, including worknig long, long hours at difficult minimum wage jobs, pinching pennies, buying a house mainly with cash, etc. </p>

<p>Their kids are expected to study hard, excel in school and on college boards, and do their very best to get to Ivies, excel there and get well paying jobs afterward.</p>

<p>Princeton is very generous with need-based aid, far more generous than virtually any other college in the country.</p>

<p>Once the sister graduated, she probably helped her brother with college expenses (After her probably more hand to mouth existence in college in terms of having $ for her daily expenses, she may have sent him a generous monthly check.) and may have also helped her parents pay off their house loan.</p>

<p>Another possibility is that Cho could have resorted to theft to fund his various purchases. College students often are very trusting, leaving their doors unlocked. A person like Cho – clearly bright, could have found various ways of getting money. Another option could have been stealing and selling textbooks. Students can be careless with backpacks, and textbook thieves take advantage of this.</p>

<p>Regarding Cho’s expenses, college students have been known to run up $10,000 in debt without the ability to pay back. For Cho, obviously this was not a concern. So his ability to pay for ammo, guns, strippers and hotel rooms has nothing to do with $$ he may or may not have had.</p>

<p>And as NSM has pointed out, the sister could have gone to Princeton at practically no cost to the parents.</p>

<p>From Ira Socol a special education technology scholar in Michigan State University’s College of Education. </p>

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<p>Agreed…he paid for a bunch of this with a credit card that may have been in his own name and he wasn’t exactly worried about paying off the debt. Agreed also that Princeton is very generous with need based aid and so the fact that his sister attended doesn’t necessarily imply all that much.</p>

<p>I’m a granddaughter of immigrants. I’m quite aware of the penny pinching lifestyle immigrants face. Their circumstances do not qualify as poverty, however. They own a condo free and clear. It was bought for $145,000 and is probably worth much more by now. </p>

<p>In 2007, there are countless agencies and programs available to help immigrants & the working-class. His sister is a Princeton grad with a good job. So that alone lifts the family out of poverty. It’s the American dream realized. I’m also quite aware that she, and likely he, received aid to attend college.</p>

<p>Maybe the articles I’ve read about the family didn’t mention the poverty that seems to be a focus recently on this thread, but I don’t recall reading that this family was living in poverty in the U.S. Anyone have a link detailing their poverty? Perhaps while still in Korea, but not here. In any case, I’m not sure what difference it makes to the issues at hand whether or not his family was poor, and I don’t understand the skepticism and snide remarks about it. Am I missing something? I tend to agree with tsdad, as I said very early on in the discussion, abundant speculation and very little in the way of hard facts.</p>

<p>I think that poverty initially was mentioned on this thread in relation to their ability to get mental health services for their son. </p>

<p>Given the type of work that the parents were doing, there’s a good chance that they lacked health care. If they had health care, it’s very unlikely that they would have had any mental health coverage. Even with the so-called “good” health care that I have, it covers only 26 mental health visits a year. My co-pay is $25 each time.</p>

<p>My experience has been that it’s very difficult to find mental health professionals who would be skilled to handle the type of baffling difficulties that Cho appears to have had. Finding such a professional would have taken a great deal of time, and the parents may have had to drive Cho a long distance to get him any help.</p>

<p>Add to this, cultural issues. The parents’ probably don’t speak English that well. They also came from a culture that doesn’t typically turn to mental health professionals. Since apparently Cho was doing reasonably well in school, the parents also may not have thought that he needed additional assistance. Although he ended up at Virginia Tech, a second tier school, I wouldn’t be surprised if he had very high scores since his sister ended up at Princeton. He may have had Ivy quality scores, but couldn’t get into an Ivy or similar school because of his lack of ECs and social skills.</p>

<p>Earlier people have commented on the thread that Cho’s parents should have gotten him mental health help starting at an earlier age. I think that when one considers the financial and cultural issues involved, one can have empathy for why they may not have pursued mental health assistance when he was young enough for the parents to be able to force him to get help. I know many low income people who want mental health assistance, but can’t get it because of finances or accessibility. It seems that in our culture, low income people only get mental health assistance when they’ve threatened or hurt themselves or others.</p>

<p>The various rationales being mentioned make logical sense for various situations, but the thing is, in CHO’s case, it is all speculation as to what they did or had, and why, because very little information is out to answer various questions.</p>

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This seems absurd. Since when can clerical workers dispense meds? Is this reality? </p>

<p>In my own town, the BOE child study team is led by a clinical psychologist with loose lips. I know this has discouraged parents from using that free service, and most go a private route when their kids need help, evaluation, or various services. I would not want fellow students staffing any medical or psychological services positions.</p>

<p>Stickershock…''This seems absurd. Since when can clerical workers dispense meds? Is this reality? ‘’…</p>

<p>How did you get that out of the article posted???</p>

<p>I agree with the article - many college kids do not trust the on-campus resources because of the confidentiality issues.</p>