I haven’t gone through the entire thread, but I have not seen much about those who have had Covid-19 and how people feel about those folks who may be vaccine hesitant. There have not been a lot of cases of multiple Covid infections and I have not really seen any data on how infectious those who have antibodies from infection might be post-Covid. The people who I have talked to with the most resistance with getting vaccinated have already had Covid-19 and have no urge to get vaccinated.
While it is understandable that those who had COVID-19 may be in less of a rush to get vaccinated (especially when there was a shortage), there is evidence of benefit for those who had COVID-19.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2101927 has this image in the interactive graphic:
In the bottom left, before vaccination with the first of a two dose vaccine, the “Blocking of Binding of Receptor-Binding Domain to ACE2” for those with recent history of infection was quite variable (blue dots). After three weeks after the first dose, it was quite high. For those without recent history of infection (brown dots), it went from almost none to highly variable three weeks after the first dose (which is presumably why the second dose is specified for those vaccines).
Note also that those with recent history of infection had antibody responses to the nucleocapsid protein of the virus. These antibodies do not neutralize the virus, but have been implicated in antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), which can make a second infection worse if the person did not generate enough neutralizing antibodies against the spike protein.
Granted, second infections are still uncommon (and probably mainly affecting those with the weakest neutralizing antibody responses), though it is possible that new variants may mean that those with lower but still adequate neutralizing antibodies against the “classic” strains may not have enough against the new variants that partially evade those antibodies.
Maybe a new thread would be allowed that deals specifically with 12-15 year olds?
Such a thread about “COVID-19 and vaccination for age <= 15” would not necessarily be limited to vaccine reluctance among that age group or their parents.
Here is a thread for that subject:
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Would a chance to win $1 million make the reluctant less reluctant?
Ohio’s governor announced today state will be giving $1 million to people who have received at least one dose of a vaccine (one a week for 5 weeks). Also giving 5 full ride scholarships (tuition, room and board and books) to any Ohio college to those under 18 who also have received at least one dose.
Excellent. I was going to start one.
Am I the only one moved the slider on the left to 919, and it wasn’t Mike’s post? Since I’m not going to spend time hunting it down without a post number search anymore, I think I remember he said that newcomers would have a hard time with a long thread. While that may be true, sometimes I think the current posters should be accommodated. Jon did not like the mega-threads, and it seems that this is still CC’s stance?
That being said, there is a lot of crossover between this thread the covid and science thread.
It’s there for me, post #919.
Would you post which site you follow? I used to follow one, but then it appeared to stop updating. I did find another one, but I may be missing a better one. Thanks!
It’s a lottery in Ohio…everyone isn’t getting a million dollars or free tuition!
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Apparently, post numbers change for users when posts are deleted or hidden. They don’t for moderators.
So Mike’s post is #910 for users.
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I understand that. Which is why I said “one a week for 5 weeks” with respect to the $1 million. And “giving 5 full ride scholarships.”
@lvvcsf I live in Ohio too. Was surprised DeWine announced yesterday that health orders (other than those for nursing homes and assisted living facilities) are being lifted June 3. He set the metric several weeks bacl for removing health orders at two week incidence rate of less 50/100k population. Yesterday it was 123/100k. So Ohio isn’t there and it doesn’t seem likely it will be there by June 3 but who knows I suppose.
The odds of winning the $1 million for someone in Ohio who is vaccinated are better than winning the Ohio lottery. And better than odds of winning $1 million in MegaMillions. Even if everyone in the state gets vaccinated by the drawing dates (which won’t happen). Plus you don’t need to pay $$ for a ticket. I agree it will be interesting to see what effect it has. Its better than some of the giveaways for getting a vaccine because it includes those who had already gotten a vaccine (doesn’t incentivize holdouts).
I live in Ohio. This move by DeWine disgusts me - and human nature to think that it takes a million dollars to coerce a person into getting vaccinated. 1K wouldn’t be incentive? 10K? Nope, a million. Using COVID relief $$$ to serve the greedy, not the needy.
The college tuition for 5 lucky teens. Fine. But the million really turns me off.
Last comment perhaps on this thread! - thanks to the mods for the communication and explanation of why this thread will be closed. Regardless if warranted, I appreciate the transparency and also the encouragement to start additional threads with a somewhat similar but DIFFERENT twist or angle.
The lottery thing rubs me the wrong way too. Yes we want folks to be vaccinated but it feels like bribery and rewarding people for waiting.
H’s company has given up trying to incentivize folks for getting the vaccine. They tried for month to make it as easy as possible - on site vaccine clinics, paid incentive, time off, etc… Still not working. The only thing they’ve done that has moved the needle at all was to get rid of their paid time off covid policy.
I would have been happy with a free donut!