Vent and let's share info: health and mental health on campus

First a vent.

I am starting from the belief that the current high school/college generation really is being raised in a more stressful environment: when the pandemic happens their lives actually changed, social media, so much division and spirit of hatred in politics, etc. I think they have challenges that previous generations have not had (though there are also strengths and benefits available that previous generations didn’t have).

My oldest daughter is at an Ivy in the math department. She dated a boy from another Ivy math department in her freshman (pandemic) year. He tried to commit suicide. She was terrified to break up with him and of course I told her it was absolutely OK. She dated another boy in her college’s math department her sophomore year. She was reluctant to break up with him because she knew he suffered from depression (she found out after they started dating). She did break up, and he tried to commit suicide. I told her to go to the campus mental health services and get at least a few sessions with a therapist to talk about it, at a minimum that it wasn’t her fault! She did, and there was a four to six month wait list! What the heck! (we got private therapy). There are so many problems in this situation I can’t even begin to unpack it, not the least of which is the hush-hush around high achieving students who suffer when they realize there lives didn’t suddenly become meaningful and stress free after getting into the college they had hoped for. I suspect the colleges are so afraid of bad publicity they don’t even find out for themselves what the state of students’ mental health is, let alone sharing it with prospective families or participating in a national dialogue.

My second daughter was finishing accutane when she started as a freshman. She needed one more pregnancy test at the end of the course of treatment (note to parents: if your child and especially daughter is going to take accutane, do it in high school! the monthly blood tests and pregnancy tests are onerous on first years). The campus health center had extremely limited hours (something like 8am-4pm) and wouldn’t give her a test. I remember visiting the campus health center when I was a student in the 90s for the flu in the middle of the night and walking out with birth control, STD testing, mental health screening and a bunch of useful information, because some forward thinking campus health leadership had decided that once a student walks in the front door, you have a huge opportunity to help them (with their consent of course). You can’t do that if the health center is closed when students are looking for help! And turn kids away for a simple virtually free pregnancy test! What the heck!!!

My third daughter started cutting in 8th grade and I immediately got her into a DBT program and thank God for that program, and that I didn’t blame others or go into denial. That program equipped her thoroughly with DBT skills and mindset. She is thriving. Her sisters ask her for ideas when they have trouble - she recently talked her older sister through some anger at a friend and helped her sister turn the responsibility from the friend to herself, her need to set boundaries, how reframing could help, etc. I sometimes hear her muttering under her breath “that person needs some distress tolerance training.” Doing that program pro-actively, before she got deeper into difficulty, was one of the best things we could have done for her.

I have been touring colleges with my son and my new favorite question on tours and in info sessions is about campus health and campus mental health. What’s the guiding framework? Do they see health as an opportunity to help students? What is being done PRO-ACTIVELY or at the first sign of need? What does the info session leadership know about the mental health services and what is the tour guide’s experience (if they share, and many of them do, eagerly)? (thank goodness my son doesn’t mind at all if I ask these questions).

I have not yet found a college where I am satisfied with the response, though some of the individual tour guide’s answers have been heartening.

What I would love to see would be some kind of rating system that took into account the amount of information that the university collects, services provided for students that go looking for help and the approach that the college takes in thinking about health as an opportunity to serve and support students. I think it should be widely discussed, destigmatized and made as important talking about dorms and food. It would be amazing if group DBT or other group sessions were offered to students who want them, as an efficient way to support students, though that’s just my personal positive experience, and I’d want to know what is effective.

Has anyone found a college where they thought the program was strong enough to be a model?

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There are a lot of specifics in your post that I’m not informed on and can’t speak to, but I wanted to note that I know that William and Mary has invested heavily in health and wellness, and has a phenomenal leader in Dr. Kelly Crace, whose (great) book Authentic Excellence I’m reading right now. (It touches on some of the stressors that this generation is confronting and struggling through, and that you touched on in your first paragraph, and hints at some of the priorities that he brings to bear in his work at W&M.)

W&M’s wellness center’s Programs and Services page shows a lot of really great offerings, and their list of currently-available support groups lists group DBT sessions.

Their new Wellness Center seems like a really excellent resource as well:

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I teach in a health care field. I do think colleges are getting better at presenting options to new students and expanding welcome weeks with activities and supports. Many colleges are offering College 101 type mandatory courses in fall freshman year. Many colleges offer some group mental health support type programs.

That being said, mental health programs in general need expanding. I just don’t think it is necessarily the college’s “job” to do it.

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I appreciate your vent/rant and agree you’ve identified a problem (a significant one).

But I don’t believe this is new. I was in college in the 1970’s with a suicidal roommate and other than a few particulars, could essentially write your post about an experience over 45 years ago. Our dorm had anorexia, bulimia (which we did not know had a name back then), cutting, a few high functioning alcoholics and several low functioning drug addicts- the whole gamut. The young woman with anorexia didn’t make it to age 30. Mental health is a long-standing issue- not just on college campuses, but on military bases, among healthcare professionals (high rates of depression- many of which are self-medicated which usually leads nowhere good).

I’ve observed a few positive changes since then. Many (most?) parents whose kids are moving to a residential college understand how health insurance and mental health work (or doesn’t work) unlike back in the 1970’s. Students who have been treated in HS are far less reluctant to seek help once they are in college (I discovered after the fact that my roommate had a VERY thick psychiatric file before she left home). Some of the medications are truly life-saving.

But the core issue? I don’t believe it’s more stressful being a teenager/college student today. There were boys in my HS with terrible draft lottery numbers… Enlist and know you’re heading to Viet Nam or Cambodia… or flee to Canada? Or figure out an educational deferment with the clock ticking? It got to the point where you needed to pull strings to get into the National Guard (seen as the safest option; unlikely to be deployed overseas) but after Kent State (which was in 1970) who wanted to be shooting and killing American college kids?

Our parents generation interrupted their schooling and whatever came after for either Korea or WW2.

It’s easy to say “Kids now have it worse”. But ask any of the aging veterans who served-- drafted, or out of duty-- and it will curl your hair. And they are the ones who survived.

So I don’t think it’s new. But I agree with you we are long overdue for a frank discussion and some solutions. However, given the current shortage of therapists in the US, the notion that every college can staff up with professionals to meet the demand is a wish list item for me.

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@blossom, those are excellent points, thank you for helping me to reframe. Our kids are not being sent to war. And of course you are right, all of these things have existed before and will unfortunately continue. I do wish there was a frank discussion and more transparency. There is more now than ever before so that is good, but it seems like it might be driven from the ground up (kids themselves destigmatizing rather than the colleges leading it).

@2plustrio I just started to write that the colleges feed and house our kids and help them find jobs . . . then I realized, that is revealing of the kind of colleges I’m looking at (residential four year) and that’s the not true for many young adults who are either not in college or living at home while going to commuter college. So that gave me pause to think more broadly about young adults as a group having access to good care more generally. It’s a much more daunting issue for young adults who aren’t covered by their parents’ health care and maybe can’t afford their own. Much to think about, thank you.

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Colleges do offer health insurance. Most colleges have free health care (to some minor extent) but yes, you may need to wait. I can tell you as a college professor I have yearly inservices and get emails multiple times a semester about what is available for students. If any student mentions SI of course I have to report to proper law enforcement. I can email and talk to students until I am blue in the face but I can’t force them to get help if they aren’t open to it.

There is a very strong way of parenting in some cultures that I simply do not agree with at all and I find it literally killing our young adults. The things I have seen some parents say or write about their teens and young adults is practically abuse.

I’ve had my own child end up in the ER for mental health issues and be admitted. But this was also my kid who had special ed support his entire schooling before college and received many years of behavioral and emotional support. And he had parents who were supportive and open to the kid needing to find his own way. His school (tech school) was amazing after I reached out to them updating them of the situation. They were able to do a handful of zoom check ins with him but ultimately he needed to drop classes and pause in life until he had better coping mechanisms to deal with the stress.

I know my college (and my kid’s college) does talk to the kids and encourage them to speak up when they see peers struggling. But these kids are adults and we can’t force them. And yes I feel super sad that some parents just suck and are cruel.

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schools are trying to improve their offerings, but the major change needs to be in the parents/students perspective-those with serious mental health conditions,whether preexisting or developed while enrolled, should seek private health care providers asap-the same as they would if they had cancer or any other serious disease which required follow on care. Campus health is largely responsive to short-term, relatively minor problems and acute physical emergencies, not the treatment of chronic conditions. The health departments try to assist but are almost always overwhelmed by demand, and are not in a position to offer the degree of care which may be required. Adjusting expectations to reality can yield more effective results.

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Yes!! I retired almost 5 years ago, and I was blown away by the expectations around mental health services. Students were basically saying, “I have this longstanding issue. Now that I’m here, I expect you to assume responsibility for my care.” It’s not realistic to expect colleges to do this.

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I agree with this, but at the same time, I think that university health centers also have a role to support and educate the campus community. The William & Mary links shared by @LionsTigersAndBears are a great example of what I think that colleges can be doing. Hosting support groups, classes on various health techniques, etc. Schools may not be able to offer extensive 1-on-1 services, but they can help teach the student body about the various tools in the health toolbox and spaces/opportunities to use those tools.

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Purdue saw a crisis during Covid where mental health supports were woefully understaffed and students were waiting way too long for appointments. The university seems to have addressed that but I don’t have first hand information on how the implementation is going:

https://www.purdue.edu/caps/news/increased-resources.php

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I’ve had kids in 6 different universities and parents do complain. When I was in college, health centers were 9 - 5, Monday - Friday. It’s the same at my kids’ universities, but they have local urgent cares as well that most students use instead (at one college they don’t accept health insurance that isn’t provided by the university). Mental health issues are issues, they just can’t keep up. At another college students were allowed 6 visits, I can’t remember if that was for a semester or year. I don’t think I’ve heard of any good ones, we got out of network providers for our son, it’s not like you can just wait it out. I think it’s best to find care outside of schools (and one of mine has a bipolar diagnosis which caused a college withdrawal).

I do think some of the increase in people seeking mental health care is a chicken or egg effect: are more people seeking mental health care now because it is more socially acceptable to do so than in the past? Or are there more mental health issues now than there have been in the past? I think we can all agree that there is a lot more media coverage of mental health than there used to be. There should be more, of course.

In the case of the Ivy League university waiting list for campus services, is it also possible that the types of students most likely to seek mental health care are those who are very aware of the issues, and are in an environment that won’t condemn them for seeking help? Is it also possible that at a university with no waitlist for campus counseling, the general atmosphere is not as tolerant to those seeking mental health care?

From my own kids’ experiences, I can tell you both sought counseling while they were in college. One of my kids used the campus counseling center, as did several friends. I really think they viewed it as awareness of taking care of both body and mind. One child used an online counseling service during the pandemic, with the promise that costs were covered unconditionally.

Both of my kids wouldn’t hesitate to seeking counseling again should they feel the need.

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One thing W&M offers which is very popular is Wellness classes for 1 credit. Each student can take four before graduation. These include meditation, yoga, life balance/resilience, and outdoor recreation, plus classes in creative arts for fun/exploration rather than for skill/performance (such as art, music, theater and writing). Wellness classes are also available as not-for-credit workshops and temporary series, but taking a regular, semester-long class for credit brings a lot of benefits according to my daughters.

These classes can help give kids the skills they need to figure out how to work towards positive mental health. In my mind, they are very cost-effective because the ratio is 1 instructor to 25 kids, and there’s a ripple effect. Obviously, this is not enough for kids in crisis or with serious mental illness.

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I too am curious about what other parents have experienced in this aspect, as per OP’s post (and vent). While I went to campus health at UPenn (not for mental distress but just usual allergies caused by stress etc) it was easy to access then. Maybe it’s diff for mental/psychological support. I was international and paid into the schools’ private health insurance - dunno if that made any difference then.

I’ve even read (though maybe out of context) that they suspend students who attempt to commit suicide and escort them out of campus till they’re ready to come back. Dunno how I feel about this “rule”/process.

To me this is quite an important aspect, esp with an only DS who, while smart, has a tendency to be perfectionist and hard on himself. (even in middle school). I wish I can tag this post but will definitely want to keep this thread “alive”

As a former college administrator, I would expect that a student who attempts suicide be placed on leave until they are medically cleared to return. This is incredibly important for the student, who needs to address their issues immediately.

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My suicidal roommate freshman year did not want to take ANY leave of absence- not a week, not a semester. Dangerous situation for her-- and incredibly stressful for the rest of the dorm. Parents need to realize that the RA (who is all of 20 years old) is NOT a mental health professional; the other students in the dorm who want to be kind and helpful and loving have their own academics to worry about; pretending that the roommate is going to tag team 24/7 is unrealistic (and both shortsighted and cruel). Other than taking my roommate to health services, calling the parents (in deep denial) and finally 911- what’s a 17 or 18 year old kid supposed to do?

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Another student at college during my son’s first week (orientation week) confessed to my son he was suicidal. My son had known a student in HS who committed suicide, so he took this really seriously and did not leave this student’s side until he could get them to contact mental health services on the campus, and then (because mental health services did not have availability), he missed a chunk of orientation because he didn’t feel it was safe to leave this suicidal student alone a lot of the time. He ended up being the de facto support person for this student for a while during his first semester. Fortunately the other student adjusted to college life and maybe got some other help and seems better now.

Better support for a suicidal student (or one struggling with other issues) would not only be better for the student, it might also help other students who are not very well prepared to be someone’s mental health support just because they are a roommate or met them during orientation (or someone’s BF/GF, as in the OP’s post).

Maybe it’s not realistic and maybe colleges shouldn’t have to deal with this, but if the families don’t, and the colleges don’t, it falls on fellow students.

Well, yeah, and we also didn’t have seatbelts back then, or bike helmets, and everyone smoked cigarettes (even IN THE CAR, yuck). I don’t think health / mental health issues are more severe for students today than in my generation. But I do hope we can do better.

I don’t know if it’s a problem of too many (more?) students needing services or seeking services, or services not being adequate (?)

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I absolutely think that colleges need to have a process in place … one that is publicized in a way that assures students will know what to do … for identifying and reporting concerns. While colleges may not be able to provide ongoing therapy services for students, they can & should provide a mechanism for students to report issues concerning their classmates and themselves. Schools need to have a system in place to deal with these issues. And the system has to involve real action and accountability on the part of the school.

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That system may include acknowledgement that the university is primarily educational in nature, and not a safe place for those with severe issues that may result in harm to themselves or others.

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I don’t think parents of a kid with diabetes, asthma, severe food allergies, etc. send their kids off to college in denial that their kid is going to need ongoing support to manage their condition…

I’ve observed PLENTY of parents IRL who send kids with eating disorders, what appears to be severe anxiety or depression, self-medicating, etc. with the assumption that the college will handle it. It’s like the people who tell a parent whose kid was just arrested for dealing drugs “send him to the air force- that will straighten him out”.

Your daughter spent 8 weeks in an in-patient program for anorexia and you think the college (I guess they feel it’s another version of an in-patient program?) is going to figure out what a team of doctors, therapists, nutritionists etc. couldn’t figure out?

I’m questioning what it means- in practice- to have an action plan. If your roommate is abusing drugs (and in denial) or clearly has an eating disorder-- other than dragging the roommate to health services, what exactly is the U supposed to do at that point? Alert the parents-- sure. Call 911 in an emergency situation- sure. But a college in a rural area with very few therapists is going to have how many specialists and experts on call? Bulimia, abusing ADHD meds, alcoholic, PTSD, anxiety, bi-polar-- these all present differently and require different strategies. How is a college supposed to do this- especially with an uncooperative family in denial?

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