Very embarrassed. Valedictorian rejected from top schools.

I saw this thread since you first posted it and almost created an account that night to give my 2 cents on your speech, but this thread has turned into something else entirely now (LOL). So I signed up to respond on the new theme. Here goes . . . .

If the difference in cost was HUGE, I can see more of an argument for going with the least cost, but environment has always been very important to my overall happiness. If I had not been happy in my environment at college, I would not have thrived there as I did. I think you’ve already figured out you want more out of the college experience than you got out of the high school experience. You feel like you missed a lot, but your hard work paid off! Now you get to choose the experience you want for college. If your gut is strongly telling you that one option is definitely not a good fit for the experience you want and you have the opportunity go to somewhere that does feel like a good fit, I’d go with your gut.

That said, I agree you need to give Rice another chance, trying to take your HS friends and brother’s girlfriend out of the equation. Pretend you didn’t get into UT and just focus on whether you feel like you could fit there if you didn’t have the UT option, or didn’t know anyone going to UT. I was a very social guy in high school and don’t feel like I missed anything, but the REAL and lasting life-long friends I made were in college.

Unless someone goes away to boarding school, the people they know in high school are limited to the community where their parents planted their roots. But now you are lucky enough to get to choose where you want to spend the next 4 years, and you will spend those years with other driven people pursuing their dreams from all over the country and the world, all with different backgrounds, cultures, and perspectives. It’s the ultimate melting pot and a phenomenal opportunity to broaden your horizons.

There were a few other people from my high school who went to my university (UCLA) including my best friend growing up who was valedictorian and had a full (athletic) ride, but that’s not why I went there. He was constantly training and spent most of his time with his teammates, which I expected. I met new friends who are still like family and we all keep in close touch. The people who stuck to the people they knew in high school really didn’t seem to grow as much. I learned far more from the people I met there from all walks of life than I did in any classroom.

I even ended up going into business with my best friend from college. Amazing to think that a simple “hello” on that fateful day we happened to end up in the same orientation group months before school even started began an inseparable friendship that completely changed the trajectory of my life.

But I chose my university over others because I felt like I fit there. As much as I enjoyed high school, that small bubble can be like a soap opera and I felt a smaller college would be similar. I wanted something different - a huge school in an urban city with endless people to meet and things to do. Everything about it energized me and made me feel alive, and I thrived there because the environment was such a great fit for me.

Then I went to a smaller, private university in a more suburban environment for law school. My instincts screamed no, no, no, but everyone said . . . how can you turn down this opportunity?! So I went, and once I got on the hamster wheel, I felt like I couldn’t get off without letting too many people down. Looking back, that was stupid. It was my life, not theirs. I didn’t listen to my instincts and was miserable.

But that’s just me. Big and urban was amazing, and small and suburban was suffocating. It’s the opposite for some people. They’d be completely lost and feel like they were being swallowed up in a large university, and need that small school environment to thrive. Everyone is different. You now need to decide between small in Houston or huge in Austin? Each provide a completely different college environment and experience.

When visiting Rice again, try to look at it just in terms of whether you could be happy there and thrive – INDEPENDENT of your high school friends, or how close to home you will be. If Rice still doesn’t feel like a good fit after you give it a fair and objective chance, don’t make the same mistake I did for grad school. Life is too short. Part of growing up is learning to tune into your gut instincts and trusting them. We can all guess, but no one can make a better guess at what is right for you than you can.

Anyway congrats! Two incredible opportunities you are deserving of, and I wish you ALL the best. Don’t forget you are incredible, and get some sleep already! :slight_smile:

@rasofia , listen to @1Dreamer (great post). Also, you still have two weeks. Use every bit of it to decide. Half of all seniors deposit on April 30th or May 1st.

One thing:
don’t listen to others so much as listen to yourself. It really doesn’t matter what we anonymous CC’rs think or would choose. That’s the same mistake you made in the OP - putting too much importance on what other people think.

I don’t think you’re ridiculous or overly dramatic (maybe a little). You’re very open and honest. Trust me, you’re not alone in this decision making roller coaster. It’s been interesting to watch your process. (thanks for sharing) It would be hard for anyone to decide.

I seriously think you can’t make a wrong choice between the two schools. Good luck!

Don’t sweat the speech right now. You wrote a great first draft when you started this thread.

There is a thread in the FA forum by a student trying to scrape together $6k to pay her gap and go to college. If the OP here can easily cover the price difference (which is not big) between the 2 schools, whether out of their pocket or via loans they can handle, then the OP should choose the school she prefers (which is clearly UT). The OP has not talked much about their financial status. There is an older brother who it seems is a freshman at Texas A&M, and a younger sibling who will start college when the OP is a senior. So the family will be paying college costs for many years. As long as the family has “the money talk” and they can handle the price difference, the choice as to where to attend can be based on whatever the OP chooses. The OP talked about wanting to be closer to home to visit. Not sure if the OP has a car, but she might law want to talked about the schools’ policies on whether freshmen can have cars on campus, if that matters.

I saw this thread when it was first posted and only read the first page or so…it certainly has exploded!

My initial reaction when reading it was that the OP could use her Valedictorian speech to praise the fellow members of her senior class. To take the focus off of herself and put it on her peers.

Sort of a “I’m sure there are some students in the audience who are looking at me, thinking ‘I wish I was her.’ Maybe there are some parents thinking ‘Man, I wish my kid was the valedictorian, what an honor.’ and that’s understandable. It certainly is an honor to be named valedictorian of such a talented and diverse class. But when I look back at my four years at school X, I have to tell you that I wish I was a more like a lot of my classmates. That I had spent a little less time with my nose in a book and a little more time stopping to smell the roses [CLICHE ALERT!]. I wish I had a sport I loved, like Tim C., who set the school record in the high jump this season…” and so on.

You could go on to talk about how that’s what you intend to do in college…to explore the world outside of books a little more.

I think it would be a hit with the kids, parents, and admin. Plus, I think I think the exercise of writing such a speech would be a bit cathartic for you. Best of luck in your future endeavors.

Does UT have a co-op program? You could earn money while getting experience for your major.

Try not to put this pressure on yourself, I know easier said than done. I often have issues going around in my head keeping me awake.

But you are in the homestretch of high school.

Some people just recommended to go on one more visit to Rice so you know you made an informed decision, there won’t be any “what ifs”.

If it’s not right and your family can afford UT then you can happily go there without any regrets.

Then you will finish the last few weeks of classes, take your AP exams and write your graduation speech, one thing at a time.

I slept through my valedictorian’s speech, and she was a friend :). I would be surprised if anyone remembers their val speech unless they gave it. Don’t spend too much time trying to do something amazing and getting stuck on it; just do something solid that you’ll feel good about reading in front of other people (who five minutes after you give the speech will have entirely forgotten it in favor of trying to figure out which is the best graduation party to hit).

I don’t even remember who my class speaker was. And there were fewer than 50 people in my graduating class.

Several years ago, twins were the val/sal at our high school graduating class. Top students and multi-talented boys. When they were both rejected at all Ivies and MIT, they didn’t look back when one selected to go on full-ride to an elite engineering/entrepreneurial program at Lehigh and the other on a full-ride to Newhouse at Syracuse.

My friend and I gave the val/sal speech together. She was heading to Texas A&M and I was going to UT, so we had fun teasing each other in our address. I found my speech recently - it wasn’t as bad as I expected!

@1Dreamer Wow. Thank you SO SO much. Honestly, how are there so many people out there that have such great advice?! Crazy.
But you’re so right about the “everyone is different.” I think the thing that is actually making this whole situation stressful for me is that I think I COULD fit into both environments. For instance, I LOVED my small, private middle school and I love my bigger, busier high school (well, only my last two years lol…first two were horrible but for personal reasons). So, like I said before, Rice COULD be technically perfect for me…but I just feel at home in UT’s busier environment. There’s a sense of relief that I get from being the small fish in the big pond, and a sense of excitement I feel knowing there are so many students on campus that are all doing their own, totally different things & the majority of them that I would never even speak a word to. It’s comforting in a way. I guess I just like that busy atmosphere. But again, I feel like it could go both ways since I am a very indecisive person, and I tend to like totally opposite things. For instance, I couldn’t pick between winter or summer because I love both equally. I couldn’t tell pick between a hot bath or a cold bath because they are both great. I can love two opposite things equally. It really depends on the circumstances. In this case…that extra circumstance is the INITIAL comfort at UT I would feel with my friends. Sure, I know that friends separate. It’s happened to me before when I thought it would never happen. However, I will have my friends for the first moments of college while we all venture off and make new friends. I’ll never fall into that pit of depression/anxiety as I’ve heard other students do (students like me who were very emotionally dependent on family & friends).
Well, anyway, I might go to Rice this Monday or next Monday. I’m secretly hoping my feelings won’t change, but I have to keep an open mind.

UT financial aid contacted me back and pretty much said what I got is what I got…no more. I did end up getting an extra $2000 for attending the UT reception last weekend, though.

Well, thank you again for your advice. I truly appreciate it…more than you could ever imagine. I really like the fact that you mentioned your transition from UCLA to a smaller, private school. That was very interesting to read and think about.
I will definitely try to keep an open mind and TRY to separate Rice from my feelings about UT & family & friends. I’ll go in there with an open mind.
Thank you!!

@SevenDad Hey that is a GREAT idea for my speech!! Last year’s Val kind of did something like that…he compared some of the clubs/ sports/students in his class to characters in movies like the Avengers.

I would need to do a bit of investigating to find out more about other people in my class since, really, most of my friends are from the Magnet program. I’m not really friends with the athletes of the class (except for my state swimmer friend who is awesome).

Anyway, that is amazing advice. I took a picture of it to keep. I’m not sure when but my principal will probably call me and my best friend (Sal) into his office to tell us to start preparing our speeches. Kind of nerve-wracking, but I’ll set those thoughts aside until the moment comes.
Thanks again!

@jym626 I, hopefully, will be able to do that as well. I am currently working on a few scholarships that I hope will bring me some financial relief. Also, when I say ‘visit,’ I don’t mean that I will drive down there because I don’t have that much driving experience to do that. If I do go to UT, either my brother will drive down to UT and pick me up (it’s on the way back home), and we will visit my family together OR my family will drive up to UT and my brother will meet us all there OR I could drive down with my brother’s girlfriend OR take a bus. That’s one of the reasons why UT’s location is great.

@mommdc Exactly…one thing at a time…that’s the key.
Thank you for your response by the way!

So glad it helped! Thanks for letting me know. Woke up this morning wondering if it was at all coherent or just rambling babble. Ha! That’s what I get for posting at 2:00 in the morning and not knowing where the edit button is on this site. Yikes.

You said . . .“There’s a sense of relief that I get from being the small fish in the big pond.”

I completely relate to this. By the end of high school I just wanted to go to a college where I could be a small fish in the biggest pond I could find, and blend in. Then came grad school. After swimming in a huge ocean in undergrad, I found it very difficult to adapt to a pond half the size of my high school. Ugh.

Anyway, I hope you keep us posted on your decision. You also have the makings of a great speech in your OP, and I’m sure you’ll be amazing.

Life is going to be hard if you don’t learn to handle change and be flexible. So what if you told everyone you were going to UT? So what if you met a bunch of people there? That doesn’t make it the optimal choice. My guess? You will look back in 20 years and roll your eyes at the reasons you didn’t give Rice a fair shot.

If they repeatedly ask say “it just wasn’t in the cards for me” and that you’re happily going to UT.

@intparent Well, it’s more like I set my mind on UT after I realized all the opportunities & organizations they offered. I found it a really great/exciting school. That’s why it’s difficult to re-consider Rice now.
Hopefully I won’t look back in a few years and regret my school choice. That’s why I’m constantly trying to read others’ opinions and experiences at both schools.
Thank you for the input by the way…I truly appreciate it all.

@rasofia Rejection is always painful but I guarantee you, when you get to UT and make friends you’ll put all this behind you. And from what you have written, you’ve done spectacularly well. Rare is the student who self-studies for 11 APs! That is something to be immensely proud of.

You have done exceptionally well and will do exceptionally well in the future. You’ll be a credit to UT or anywhere you decide to go. As for your friends, I’d tell them that YOU want to go to UT. That’s all that really matters.

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@rasofia were you able to go back to Rice for another visit on the 18th? (I think that was the plan.) Any final decision? We need to know where you are going or we may not be able to sleep at night. :wink: