<p>my stats—
SAT:2100
GPA:4.1</p>
<p>If your are accepted both school and if you’re pre-med major, which do you want to enroll?</p>
<p>They are both solid. Did you visit both campuses? VTech is more rural. Perhaps MSU has strong life science programs, so MSU may be the better choice. Are finances an issue? Is one school cheaper than the other?</p>
<p>VTech has the overall better reputation, I believe.</p>
<p>It depends. In Engineering and on the East Coast, I agree that VTech has a slightly better reputation. However, in the Midwest and for Business, MSU has a slight edge. In most other ways, they are pretty even. But like I said, in the life sciences, MSU is very strong.</p>
<p>MSU is getting a brand new med school in downtown grand rapids, which is pretty well known for its hospitals.</p>
<p>For Pre-Med I would lean towards MSU, but if one costs less, that’d be a fine choice.</p>
<p>MSU Honors with Lyman Briggs is awesome for premed. Smaller classes, residential, and very well respected. </p>
<p>Go with MSU. It’s an extremely underrated undergraduate institution. As a incoming freshman at UMich, I can honestly tell you that MSU is one of the best public universities for undergraduates – UMich included. The residential programs for the science, political sciences, business (I think it can be residential), and humanities are arts are top-notch. The engineering school is relatively highly ranked, and the school has a slew of different and specific majors, from accounting to packing management to hospitality business. It’s a GREAT school without the honors college for undergraduate studies, and it’s among the best with the it.</p>
<p>And the social scene is incredible, with a beautiful campus to boot. MSU all the way.</p>
<p>I would disagree with Alexandre. I think, overall, MSU is considerably stronger than VaTech. Tech is a very strong engineering school, perhaps a tad stronger, rep-wise, than MSU – but I can’t even be sure about that cause MSU’s engineering program is very strong. When it comes to liberal arts & sciences, biology (botany was all but founded in the USA at East Lansing), communications, … and more, MSU blows Tech away. Tech has nothing to match MSU in poli-sci, music, physics, economics – and MSU puts even more distance btw the two when you add the outstanding residential programs – particularly Lyman Briggs, which should be your ticket for pre-med.</p>
<p>Tech is as its name suggest: very Tech heavy. MSU is more diverse and rounded.</p>
<p>Tech is solid. MSU is more than that.</p>
<p>I heard VTech has better food … yum.</p>
<p>“VTech has the overall better reputation, I believe.”</p>
<p>-Except for the mass murder, of course.</p>
<p>^^^^^^^^ Stay classy there, buddy. Talk about a cheap shot.</p>
<p>Whether you’d like to hear it or not, it’s the truth. Going to a school so shortly after dozens of people were massacred is surely bound to raise at least a few eyebrows.</p>
<p>kk, that wasn’t necessary at all. We’re talking about the ACADEMIC reputation of the school; not about the tragedy. If Duke can go through all the stuff that they went through and still retain its reputation, VaTech can certainly do the same.</p>
<p>Actually, after all that’s happened, it’s one of the most secure campuses in the country now…they’ve created so many new safety measures…</p>
<p>And honestly, it could have happened anywhere. It has nothing to do with the strength of the school.</p>
<p>“kk, that wasn’t necessary at all. We’re talking about the academic reputation of the school. If Duke can go through all the stuff that they went through and still retain its reputation, VaTech can certainly do the same.”</p>
<p>I’m not going to let people vilify me… My statement was quite necessary. The Duke sex scandal is completely different than the Virginia Tech massacre. While I’m sorry that it may bother you to think about, it’s still a very real fact about the history of the institution. All I’m saying is that the reputation of the school surely has been affected by what happened on April 16th - pretending that it didn’t happen won’t help anyone.</p>
<p>kk,</p>
<p>We aren’t saying it never happened. It is just utterly disrespectful to the almost 30,000 students attending Virginia Tech right now to remind them that a tragedy that claimed 32 lives occurred on their campus. I know friends who knew some people who were shot and they would not like to hear something like “Oh, hope you don’t get shot at VTech.”</p>
<p>Germany’s reputation was certainly affected when it murdered 6 million people in World War II. But it doesn’t have any negative reputation today. Nobody ever said after World War II “Jews shouldn’t go to Germany or else they would be murdered.” </p>
<p>And the only reason Cho had a gun was because Virginia has the most lenient gun laws in the country. But that’s for another time…</p>
<p>Totally classless on your part, kk19131. </p>
<p>And for the record, I’ve long worried whether such a horrible thing could happen at MSU – well before the VTech tragedy – which also runs a very permissive and open society (such is supposed to be the nature of college, really), and has had some crime problems in recent years… My heart goes out to the VTech community, esp those whose lives were touched by one very deranged young man… That tragedy could have happened on ANY college campus.</p>
<p>“It is just utterly disrespectful to the almost 30,000 students attending Virginia Tech right now to remind them that a tragedy that claimed 32 lives occurred on their campus.”</p>
<p>33 lives. Also, it’s not “disrespectful” to care about a serious incident that occurred on campus just four short months ago. Surely it has affected student life and the administration’s response to different situations. This is very relevant for prospective students. </p>
<p>"I know friends who knew some people who were shot and they would not like to hear something like “Oh, hope you don’t get shot at VTech.”</p>
<p>I didn’t say anything even remotely like this. More like “Oh, I hope you know that there will be people who bring up the incident if you tell them you attend or want to attend Virginia Tech.”</p>
<p>“Germany’s reputation was certainly affected when it murdered 6 million people in World War II. But it doesn’t have any negative reputation today.”</p>
<p>-I’m not going to argue with you over this, but I think you are quite wrong about this. There are many people who still feel negatively toward the country for its part in the holocaust, and surely when people bring it up they aren’t “disrespecting” those survivors who are alive today.</p>
<p>“Totally classless on your part, kk19131.”</p>
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<li>Yeah, yeah; I’ve heard. Thanks again. </li>
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<p>“My heart goes out to the VTech community,”</p>
<p>-Yes, yours and mine too. </p>
<p>“That tragedy could have happened on ANY college campus.”</p>
<p>-And ignoring it at the campus where it actually DID happen doesn’t help anyone: “He who forgets the past is doomed to repeat it”.</p>
<p>^kk19131, therein lies the flaw in your thinking: no one is ignoring where this tragedy happened. You’d have to be Rip van Winkle not have heard about it. Everyone knows about VTech’s tragedy. But how does it help the school and the kids there now, esp those suffering from direct contact with the tragedy as well as new freshman who are looking for the quality education and experiences Tech can surely deliver and to grow as young adults on their own terms? </p>
<p>Your stance seems more akin to rubbing it their faces rather than allowing the community to heal; and one way to heal is the core of this worthwhile thread: Virginia Tech was and is a heck of a good school and there are lots of reasons to consider it besides a fascination about what happened last winter. One deranged nut with a gun, like the one in Blacksburg, could pop up on any campus and to push the argument that there’s something inherently wrong with VaTech because this nut happened to enroll there, when he could have pulled off the same carnage at most any large university (oh, btw, did you know that MSU doesn’t lock its dorms until after midnight while VaTech did and does?), is simply silly on your part.</p>