<p>haha, ok; hard to tell on the internet, you know? I never said anything about 5’4" 125 being chubby, though… I just said that it was about average, but I’m not sure what the average 20 year old in the US looks like.</p>
<p>I think I was the one who mentioned I thought it was chubby for 5’4". But I never said chubby was bad, there are some girls that look better chubby, and alot that don’t.</p>
<p>well im not so sure what is considered aesthetically chubby…
i have a flat stomach, yes i have boobs, and no fat hanging off in rolls anywhere</p>
<p>^^ sounds like she’s fine!</p>
<p>I’m not chubby FYI. I actually run 20-25 miles/week and do 10 milers and half-marathons. So often, the muscles I gained in the last 3 years put on some weight. Oh well, better metabolism for me then!</p>
<p>Also, look at your clothing size. When I was at this weight 3 years ago, I was size 8 and then I lost the weight when I started running down to size 4. Now because of my distance running (and completed a marathon which can wreck havoc on your muscles and body), those 10 pounds began creeping back up… slowly. But I’m still the same size- 4! Right now, I’m focusing on maintaing that weight and cutting back a few pounds that I gained while writing my senior thesis.</p>
<p>Heh, by the charts calculations, I’m normal body weight, but people always consider me skinny. I curse my luck too, since I can’t seem to gain any weight to bulk up.</p>
<p>OP, I think this thread kinda lost focus when it went onto trying to decide if you would be considered chubby for your height and weight. You mentioning having a flat stomach, so you are probably not chubby(post a facebook link or something, goshdarnit!). Chubby is when your stomache sticks out a tiny bit, got a bit of ‘junk in the trunk’, and your face is more full(I can’t find the words to describe this, its just plumper, like a baby face). </p>
<p>OP, how much weight did you gain, a full 15? Did you gain it all in fat or did you do some sports and just 'bulk’ed up a bit? I’m just curious.</p>
<p>its hard to say exactly how much weight ive gained, because it just depends what scale i go on. but im pretty sure its at least 5…however…my size 26/27 jeans still fit just fine. i have been doing quite a bit of weight lifting this year…so maybe that would explain the weight gain?</p>
<p>That could be it, I think its even probable. I lost 10lbs last year(mostly muscle) accidentily but I didn’t go down in waist size, so it sounds like a ‘similar’ situation but in reverse.</p>
<p>bannana-- I gained about 5 pounds of mostly muscle over the past year and a half and lost a little bit of waist size, so it’s entirely possible.</p>
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<p>My own problem with this thread is simply that too many people are speaking without knowing what they’re talking about, and like it or not, this is a sensitive topic. Making a random guess about what weight might constitute chubbiness might not seem like a big deal (and to most people, it probably isn’t), but it could have very real and unhealthy consequences for certain readers.</p>
<p>I don’t just mean that people are confusing health/aesthetic standards, FYI. I mean that not enough people–especially males, whose bodies grow and operate in completely different ways, and who are rarely privy to the details of girls’ exact measurements (though they may believe otherwise!)–are actually likely to be providing numbers that match their mental images. I don’t necessarily love the idea of posting photos, but I do think that they provide a more useful response to the OP’s question. Trying to reduce aesthetics to numbers is at best pointless, at worst dangerous.</p>
<p>I agree with student615. People who have self-esteem issues and/or history of eating disorders would have a field day with this.
To me, 125 is about average and normal so it sort of just depends what her body type is like and there are MANY many female body types. Many women just have naturally wide hips, that aren’t fat, they are just “child-bearing” hips; some women have very narrow hips naturally (these are the supermodel types). You can’t exactly change how wide your pelvis is. It also depends where they put on weight: some women gain weight primarily in their hip/butt region, others mostly in the boobs and stomach. Genetics also factors in alot of if and where you gain weight: my mother and I gain weight in the exact same places on our bodies.
Additionally, and this is just a personal anecdote so don’t take this as fact, I find that most guys can’t ever just look at a female and directly guess their weight just from looking. All of my guy friends have tried with me, and for some you might say “oh they’re just trying to be nice to you and flatter you” but my friend Phil is very very honest about things like that because he’s serious about exercise/martial arts training and will let you know if you need to lose some weight (usually by offering to help you do so). he never guessed I weighed over 145, when in fact I weigh 167. I’m not skinny by any means, but I’m average and carry it well because of my height and build (and I don’t skank around in stuff that shows off my body in an unflattering way, like booty shorts or stomach-baring shirts).</p>
<p>“But seriously, you girls are that insecure that you have to attack me for being honest and speaking my mind?” </p>
<p>Because you didn’t say what they wanted to hear. They often come in threads like these hoping for others to appease their insecurities; when they don’t find agreeable information or consoling opinions, they get upset. </p>
<p>“Trying to reduce aesthetics to numbers is at best pointless, at worst dangerous.”
Numbers are a terrific guide. They’re definitely better than using nothing and certainly better than knee-jerk opinions. They can model many aspects of aesthetics. If by “dangerous” you mean numbers “might suggest a reality that’s difficult to accept for some,” then yes, I guess they’re extremely dangerous. </p>
<p>“it could have very real and unhealthy consequences for certain readers.”</p>
<p>I believe in the truth, and I believe in personal accountability. </p>
<p>On guessing weights: A friend and I played a little game in high school gym class once. We tried to guess everyone’s weight before they got their heights and weights measured and recorded. We were fairly accurate with lighter girls (guesses were almost always within ±5 pounds) but were way off on heavier girls (±15 pounds) and males (± 20). So I highly doubt it’s males lacking familiarity with the female body shape.</p>
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<p>The point I was making is that some of the numbers being put forth here *are<a href=“to%20some%20extent”>/I</a> knee-jerk opinions, and they don’t necessarily even reflect the intentions of those who are proposing them.</p>
<p>As for believing in personal accountability, I’d say that’s a good reason to agree and accept the pointlessness/riskiness of the direction this topic has gone. You can obviously spin that belief in a number of ways, though, and we may choose to differ.</p>
<p>I agree with the fact that pictures might be a way more accurate way to do this. I know two girls who are the same height and weight, and one looks pretty pudgy and the other looks incredibly thin. SAME numbers, COMPLETELY different looks. One is good by Russel’s standards, and the other is definitely not.</p>
<p>And numbers are dangerous because saying a person at X weight is “chubby,” can be wrong. That weight might be HEALTHY and that person might look SKINNY, and you would never know because you can’t see them right in front of you. So there she/he is, thinking “holy crap, I’m fat” when they actually look perfectly fine (even by your standards- and you’d know that if you could actually see them). It’s hard for you to believe, but even if a girl is skinny, if someone calls her fat, she might think she’s fat. I know, not your problem, but you still should take into consideration that numbers aren’t the “end all” as some people think they are.</p>
<p>Actually, 5’4" and 125 lbs is considered normal, but I do agree with brillar. Everyone carries weight differently.</p>
<p>does anyone else think her face looks better as a size 16??
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<p>i’m a girl, and i don’t think 5’4 125 is chubby at ALL!
but then again, maybe i don’t know anything.</p>
<p>her face doesn’t look much different. She’s just lacking that huge double chin and it’s a bit leaner. Looks better after losing the weight.</p>
<p>i don’t think 5’4 and 125lb is bad at all. i usually thought the norm was 5’0 and 100, and for each extra inch you have on that, you gain a +5 margin. so at 5’1, 105 is good, 5’2, 110… etc. having a few extra pounds over that standard is fine.</p>
<p>and yeah, alot of people can’t guess my weight since it’s mostly in my boobs and ass. but it’s still difficult since i’m asian and most asian girls HAVE no boobs and ass and are not 5’5+, but usually try to aim toward petite anorexic tendencies…</p>
<p>Well they don’t aim that way; their genetics just result in an extremely narrow frame. If I see an asian with tits and an ass my jaw usually drops.</p>
<p>the girl in that picture is NOT a size 4, at least not in her upper body. her arms and collar bone look anorexic…she’d probably be a size 0, if that. i wear a 0 or sometimes a 2 and i def don’t look like a rail like that.</p>
<p>This thread is an insult to women everywhere. Let’s start analyzing guys’ bodies, starting below the belt…</p>