<p>there is no way in hell that girl is a 4…more like a 00. she has no shape to her whatsover, her body is like that of a prepubescent boy. if she was a size 4 she would either have boobs or a more shapely figure.</p>
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<p>It’s only an insult to fat women, who deserve it, anyway (fat men as well). I think this thread was sparked by comments made by me in a some thread I think about men’s height. So don’t think that men are exempt from ridicule. We face a lot of pressure; only the pressure isn’t only about how we look, but also how we act.</p>
<p>Women have to watch their behavior as well, but not to the degree that men have to given evolution and women inherently being the pickier gender.</p>
<p>Fat women deserve to be insulted? Wow, what a jerk thing to say! NO one deserves to be insulted just because of what they look like, no matter what their height or weight or whatever is. That’s just cruel.
Obviously, you have never been picked on or know how that can seriously screw with people’s heads.</p>
<p>I don’t advocate direct insults. Meaning, I’d never go up to a person and say “you’re fat and disgusting.” What I meant is that I have no problem criticizing fatness, in general, on a message board.</p>
<p>There’s a difference between stating the facts, like “being overweight and obese is unhealthy and leads to a multitude of health problems, and personally I don’t find it attractive” and being a jerk and saying, “all fat people are ugly and I don’t want to be around them because it’s gross” because that’s just mean. There are alot of overweight people who are perfectly nice friendly people, who may have a health problem that makes them overweight (such as thyroid, etc) or hell, maybe they just like food too much. For people who eat emotionally, being overly critical of them does nothing other than just make them eat more and thus making them larger. There are nicer ways to comment on someone’s weight than to just say that they are fat. They KNOW that, trust me, you don’t have to remind them of it.</p>
<p>Oh and as for that picture of the girl at two different sizes, I think it means UK size 4 which is a US size 0.</p>
<p>Fat people are the devil–well that is an exaggeration, but it is true to a degree.</p>
<p>I don’t like to sugarcoat my thoughts in order to appease people’s insecurities. Although I do realize that I offend people with certain things that I say on this forum, I’m not very sensitive to people’s feelings. Especially regarding topics like bodyfat, which is, for the most part, controllable. If you’re short, or just born ugly, I’m never going to criticize that.</p>
<p>For the record, I do have fat friends. I know about hormonal disorders. My sister has hashimoto’s disease and she did gain weight before she starting treating it. The thing is that they are very rare. Take a trip to Africa and tell me how many obese people you see.</p>
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I agree that it’s not good to make fun of fat people to their faces, but when fat people complain about things that are related to them being fat, I have very little sympathy. I mean when I was in 9th grade I wore a bigger size pants than I wear now (that was 6 years ago), but seriously get off your ass, stop playing video games, and eat better. Anyone can do it.</p>
<p>russell…i dont know you in person but i can honestly say i hate you. you remind me in this kid at my school, who has napoleon’s complex and critsizes just about everything on everyone, yet he thinks hes perfect. recently he realized he has no friends and no one likes him. i am sure this same realization is just around the corner for you as well if you act like this around people you know. how are you going to compare starving children in africa and say how no one there is obese? well duh smart guy, they are famished!</p>
<p>I’m just saying don’t be a jerk. It’s not hard. </p>
<p>You can think that overweight/obese people should lose weight without being like, “hey fatty hop on a treadmill once and a while!”
FYI, wilmingtonwave, talking about people behind their backs is just as mean as saying it to their face. </p>
<p>Anyway, I agree that there are some things that overweight people as a group complain about for which I have little sympathy as well. Example, the whole controversy right now about whether they should pay for 2 seats on airplanes if they don’t fit in just one. The Canadian government just made it mandatory for Canadian airlines to only charge them for one seat even if they need two. I think that’s dumb. Obviously, that will cost the airlines ALOT of money, for one, because they won’t be able to sell all the seats on the plane. Also, that’s like saying that since I’m taller than most people, I deserve to get an extra seat so I can stretch out more. That’s stupid. I’ll suffer the cramped conditions of having my knees all jammed into the seat in front of me for a while if I really want to fly somewhere. Overweight people can deal with being a bit squished too, or not fly. It’s pretty simple.</p>
<p>Also, Russell reminds me of this exercise machine commercial on tv. It’s for one of those bowflex things or something. The guy is talking about how “oh man I’m so in shape now” and all flexing his muscles and stuff, and then he says, “I gave all my fat clothes to my fat friends!” and I was just like, “Wow. I’m sure your ‘fat friends’ really appreciated that… hopefully, they still ARE your friends after that snide remark.”</p>
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<p>I guess my point went completely over your head. My point was that an excess of calories makes someone obese; it isn’t inherent to their genes.</p>
<p>And you hate me? That’s actually pretty funny. But why should I care? I have many friends, a girlfriend, and I’m secure with myself. But thanks for calling me out.</p>
<p>oh yesss russel…im sure <em>rolls eyes</em> with the way you come off on this forum i doubt many people like being around u</p>
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I don’t condone that either. Any time you talk about people behind their back it ALWAYS comes back to you. I just do not have a lot of respect for obese people, that is all. Just because I don’t say things to people’s faces doesn’t automatically mean I say things behind their back. I just have less respect for fat people, that’s all. Just like I don’t have respect for people who don’t give a flying **** about their appearance. Appearance is a reflection of the person. If a girl doesn’t care enough about herself (or a guy for that matter) how are they going to care for someone else as a girlfriend/boyfriend or even a platonic friend?</p>
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<p>I know what you’re saying. You also said why I shouldn’t be a jerk, since it hurts people’s feelings. I then responded about how I’m not sensitive to people’s feelings regarding issues within their control, so I have no reason not to be a jerk. </p>
<p>There’s noo reason for you to repeat yourself.</p>
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<p>If you think I act the same way in person as I do on this forum, then you’re just completely ■■■■■■■■. I’m sorry, but there’s no other way to describe that. I realize that I’m extremely aggressive and opinionated on this forum and that, given social dynamics, I wouldn’t be a popular guy if I behaved the same way.</p>
<p>A forum is a place that people go to voice opinions that they normally wouldn’t in real life. It’s anonymous and impersonal. I’m sorry that you take my comments personally and hate me because of them, but like I said, I don’t really care.</p>
<p>I’d also like to point out that my posts on this forum are highly concentrated around exams, when I’m stressed out and I’m just venting.</p>
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<p>i think you’re definitely generalizing an entire group of people (the majority of the united states, in fact) in a way that’s pretty unwarranted. many times less attractive people are extremely kind and caring, often because they’re less superficial than people who place more worth on appearances.</p>
<p>yeah, i’ll probably be a lot less likely to find a guy physically attractive if he’s significantly overweight, but that definitely doesn’t mean i’ll judge him upon sight and won’t bother getting to know him (especially as a “platonic friend”!).</p>
<p>also, i agree that it’s pretty ridiculous to “hate” someone on an internet forum…it’s not necessary to have as much tact when you know you’ll never have to deal with the people you’re talking to in a real-life setting. you know there’s no way russell would say the things he does in a classroom full of people who would most likely all turn to glare at him and a select few might burst into tears ;)</p>
<p>Your BMI’s actually in a normal range so you aren’t chubby, lol.</p>
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I did not once say attractive or unattractive so please don’t put words in my mouth, I really don’t appreciate that. I was talking about personal hygiene, taking care of yourself, dressing neatly etc. If you don’t shower and walk around in sweatpants all day, I will judge you, and that is absolutely warranted. There is no excuse for not taking care of yourself or at least making an effort, regardless of how good looking you are. </p>
<p>And yes, the US does have an obesity problem. It is our great, excessive American lifestyle that brings that on. Just because a lot of people are fat doesn’t make it right. It really is sad actually, because I doubt these people know the long term consequences of their excessive eating–diabetes, bad knees, heart disease, etc.</p>
<p>so did we decide on a good ideal weight for 5’4?? I’m curious because I’m 5’3-5’4 myself. I actually might be underweight (104-105) but still trying to weight because I bought some expensive jeans that I would like to fit into (stupid AG jeans, seems like they size down). I’m trying to be 45kg which isn’t too far off hopefully it’ll be enough for me to fit into these stupid jeans T_T… although i’m guessig i’ll go up like 5-10 lbs during xmas break. damn.</p>