What are the Lifetime Advantages of Attending Top Colleges

<p>“It would indeed be interesting. But if Harvard selects for the happy bottom quarter and others just “have” a bottom quarter, will not the analysis of value-added be skewed?”</p>

<p>I expect very much so. The argument made in favor of the “happy bottom quarter” theory was threefold: it added “tone” to the campus; it kept traditional feeder schools happy; and it provided a future “developmental” base. If the students weren’t happy, the desired objectives could not be achieved. </p>

<p>And I have no real problem with this approach. If I wanted simply to be around brilliant students, I could have stayed with the kids from my high school, or gone to Cooper Union, or (maybe) MIT. HYPS is none of the above, and I see no reason why they should be otherwise</p>

<p>But let’s not kid ourselves. Through one mechanism or another, the result is that all of these schools heavily select for income. That’s what gives them their prestige. The numbers at Amherst that I cited would indicate that approximately 21% of the student body comes from the bottom 2/3rds of Americans in family income, and 25% than those who come from the top 2-3%. I expect the numbers at H. are about equal, and at Yale even more skewed. </p>

<p>And there is very, very good reason why a lower income student should want to be around classmates of that demographic, wholly independent of whether they happen to be particularly intelligent (which many of them are.)</p>

<p>“Mini…how can you consistently make every discussion into class wars. Unfortunately facts don’t support your marxist assertions (you certainly didn’t study economics at the U of C). How can you make such an outrageous remark as 50% of the kids come from the top 5% of society.”</p>

<p>From the data provided by the universities themselves, INCLUDING Princeton (which, in particular, provides demographic data related to all of their financial aid awards, but no data on the median incomes of those not receiving financial aid.) But I have no idea why you think this has anything to do with class war. I see nothing particularly wrong with these private universities making such decisions if they choose, and, I imagine, if I were in the same position, I’d make similar ones. Data is just data.</p>

<p>Whether a couple of middle income ($54k) kids can actually get into and afford Princeton is not particularly high on my list of important social issues. Whether they can afford to attend the local state university is another matter entirely.</p>

<p>The question asked, however, is the lifetime advantages of attending elite colleges - and I think much of that benefit comes from spending time with and learning from financially elite students if you aren’t one (that was me, and I reaped great benefits); hobnobbing with others of similar class if you are one; and taking advantage of the resources offered to you as a result of such financially elite individuals giving back to their alma maters, in the form of small classes, fine faculty, superb facilities, and lots of opportunities.</p>

<p>Mini,</p>

<p>As one of those “financially elite students” I gotta ask you. Why would you have wanted to hang out with me then? To hear about my Christmas trip to Jamaica? To hear about my father’s art collection? To watch me enter a deep but luckily short-lived depression when my parents divorced? To drive in the sports car I bought before I had any sense?</p>

<p>What on earth would you have gotten from me, at the age of 18, of value that you couldn’t get from class? Anything I knew about my dad’s art you’d learn better in Art History. Anything I knew about Jamaica you’d learn better in a Caribbean Politics class. And there’s nothing I can think of to learn about divorce when despite the adequate housing for both parties hearts are still broken anyway.</p>

<p>You wanted to learn things like silver spoons with long handles that serve as straws are made especially to drink iced tea with? Because I sure couldn’t have taught you the social graces. And the cultural advantages I had from traveling to Europe with my family and discussing word games at the dinner table were easily easily overcome by going through a couple of college classes.</p>

<p>I really am curious. Maybe it was some other kind of rich kid that taught you stuff. Or to put it better, I don’t think any value of knowing me then came from my money. For the friends I still have from those days, I hope it came from my capacity for loyalty. But you can get that at any college.</p>

<p>Alu–yeah, but i’d been, up to then, arguing for the same end of the spectrum. I did, though I shouldn’t have, take it personally, since I’d been making the point using the name of my school. Probably my failing. So, while I think we are in agreement 99% of the time, we will remain in disagreement there. Not such bad odds.:)</p>

<p>Alu, I can reply to this one.</p>

<p>From rich people one learns a certain audacity of imagination-- that all things can be done and that there are no limits.</p>

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I think you are saying this in all seriousness, so I will respond in kind. One doesn’t learn “audacity of imagination” from rich people. One learns that from people who were not rich but who, through their own effort and imagination, become rich.</p>

<p>“One doesn’t learn “audacity of imagination” from rich people. One learns that from people who were not rich but who, through their own effort and imagination, become rich.”</p>

<p>No, SB was correct in what she said. For those of us who came from public schools, it was indeed eye-opening to watch our wealthier classmates to expect to succeed and therefore do it. Privilege has not only power but empowerment. When you hang out with kids who have Picassos hanging on their walls at home, you begin to see art in a different light, as something uniquely individual rather than as something lofty installed in a museum. When you hang out with kids who expect to get an internship and then do, you realize that positive-thinking often leads to positive results. When you see that these kids travel throughout the world, you begin to understand that maybe your own world is not as proscribed as you once thought. They believe that everything is available to them, and so you, by spending time with them, begin to realize that maybe more is available to you than you had originally thought.</p>

<p>That said, I would not list that as one of the lifetime advantages of such an education but rather a life lesson. The education in the classroom is very different and much more democratic than this sense of entitlement would suggest. After all, the professors care only about performance and not about background.</p>

<p>“As one of those “financially elite students” I gotta ask you. Why would you have wanted to hang out with me then? To hear about my Christmas trip to Jamaica? To hear about my father’s art collection? To watch me enter a deep but luckily short-lived depression when my parents divorced? To drive in the sports car I bought before I had any sense?”</p>

<p>I would have wanted to learn about (and I did learn about) a world of expanded possibility. Of people who summered (or was it wintered?) in Biarritz, but also endowed art museums. Of folks who hunted elephants in Africa, and also purchased the land for elephant game preserves. Of folks who just took off a year to travel without worrying about their families, or folks who took off a year to fight malaria in central India. </p>

<p>Of folks who could read Jane Austen and understand deeply what was to be gained by marrying well, as well as what was at stake if one didn’t. Or could read Tolstoy and tell me about proper behavior at cotillions, and laugh at it. Or folks who could give me firsthand experience of how wealth did not always lead to happiness, and the pitfalls their families had faced as a result of it. Or who (with the help of well-paid lawyers) had come up with new strategies for avoiding the draft. Or Catholics who, unlike the dour ones I knew in my lower-class neighborhood, had Cardinals as relatives but who wore their religion rather lightly (and having almost no resemblance to the religion I read about in religion class.) </p>

<p>Or folks who introduced me to different sports, like lacrosse (not for me), or squash (I turned out pretty good, from my handball days.) Or folks who understood the corridors of power because their fathers inhabited them (I’ve told you about living next door to the “military-industrial complex”.)</p>

<p>Maybe more than anything else - people who knew how to network. For jobs. For internships. For opportunities. I traded on that mightily, despite having been taught none of it formally (the career development office at Williams in those days was a bad joke.) Just a world of possibilities, a world seen through new eyes. And of people who could take risks, knowing they weren’t going to fall off the edge of the earth, something I NEVER experienced at home.</p>

<p>I have many, many stories. And I am indeed grateful for the experience. It wasn’t a comfortable experience, but a profoundly educational one. I am a living example of the Krueger & Dale study that found that kids from lower income backgrounds are those who benefit most from prestige colleges. And had my college been inhabited by hundreds of folks with 1600 SAT scores, and 4.0 GPAs but who came from the same social class as I did (as in my high school), I would not been able to have reaped this lifetime benefit (though I expect the quality of some of the intellectual discourse would have been higher.)</p>

<p>Small-town state school kids talks about the first year in college–does not sound very deprived of imagination or worldview to me.</p>

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<p>I agree with mini, et. al, to some degree.</p>

<p>Like I mentioned before, I came from a very poor family and a dysfunctional one at that. Worse, I had been a recent immigrant when I started college.</p>

<p>One benefit I could think of attending elite schools, for those from low-income families, is the rare opportunity to be exposed to the world of power, wealth and influence: to know how the game is played; how the (Eastern) Establishment think; to hear of lacrosse, crew and squash for the first time.</p>

<p>Prior to attending an Ivy college, my loftest goal in life, had been to become a doctor or a lawyer because, in my limited experience and surroundings, doctors and lawyers were at the pinnacle of power and wealth. After college, I view these professionals as mere middle-class folk. Today, I’d no longer be satisfied with being a doctor or a lawyer (I’m already a licensed attorney.) and plan a much fulfilling career in speculation/hedge fund management, something I would never have considered had I stayed in Deep South and attended regional colleges there.</p>

<p>“I had from traveling to Europe with my family and discussing word games at the dinner table were easily easily overcome by going through a couple of college classes.”</p>

<p>Here’s a funny story: although I was a brilliant student (I really was), and an English/Comparative Lit. major, my class background followed me in the form of occasional malapropisms. There were all kinds of words I could use in written work that I really didn’t know how to pronounce orally.</p>

<p>Anyway, senior came around, and I was applying for fellowships. What I really wanted to do was travel, but, as usual, I had no money, so I figured it would have to be combined with study (I would have preferred just travel, but “beggars can’t be chosers”.) So I applied for a bunch. And one day I receive a call from the Dean telling me I have just been awarded the Wilson Fellowship. “Woodrow”, I asked, “I was eliminated from the Wilson months ago.” “Not Woodrow, stupid,” he replied (he could get away with it - we had gone to the same high school), “Carroll.” As it turns out, Williams had a Rhodes-like fellowship tied to a specific college at Oxford, and I had just won it.</p>

<p>There was only one problem. I really didn’t know - English major and all - how to pronounce the name of the college. Worcester. Yes, like in the sauce, that I also would have mispronounced. And, no, I didn’t know where Holy Cross was located, even though we were in the same state. I avoided it for several days, until finally I took one of my more classy friends aside. </p>

<p>Useful, those rich folks. :wink: Then there is the story of how I got from Oxford to Iran because I knew the son of the Shah’s chief procurer, who had been sent to Williams as a trial run for the Shah’s kid, and ended up working for the CIA without knowing it.</p>

<p>“nything I knew about my dad’s art you’d learn better in Art History.” Although I had been to many museums (I grew up in New York), I had never actually seen anyone paint with oils, so as far as I was concerned, they all came from Mars.</p>

<p>By the way - had you ever been in a bookstore? I never had been, until I was 14, and played hookey from school to do it. There were no bookstores in my town. None of my relatives EVER went to bookstores, and only my mother ever visited the library. (I have a story about that buried in my files; maybe I’ll dig it out later.)</p>

<p>Mini, great post #967.</p>

<p>Also great story re Worcester. </p>

<p>I did not know what a “syllabus” was when I arrived at Brown. It sounded like it might be the relative of an abacus, but to use in a humanities class? Yet every teacher referred to it… After my second day of school, I had to take someone aside to and say-- where do I get one of these syllabuses that you need in every class?</p>

<p>Mini, I get your point but the experiences you describe are not unique to elite colleges. I grew up in and currently live in a town that has 100,000 people. I did not attend an elite undergraduate college but I still know people who summer in Biarritz, endow art museums, and who used to hunt elephants in Africa but now prefer to take their pictures instead. While I do not know anyone who has fought malaria in India, I know people who have had malaria. And years ago, I knew the son of the former Shah of Iran.</p>

<p>DRJ4, remember we are taking about 18 year olds. 18 year olds who have already got the concept that the world is their oyster.</p>

<p>SBmom, I knew all these people when I was 18-22 years old. I know even more interesting people now.</p>

<p>Where did you grow up, Monte Carlo? ;)</p>

<p>Red State USA.</p>

<p>So bookstores - when I got to Williams, and was appalled by having to work in the dining halls, serving my rich roommate his dinner, I decided immediately that I wanted to go work in the bookstores! There were two in those days (no longer), and I worked in both, totaling 20-30 hours a week. It was that experience, coupled with the experience of my wealthy classmatesm, that helped place a resolve in my mind that I wanted to run a publishing house. Not work for a publishing house, mind you; run one. And I ended up founding a successful million-dollar one, that exists to this day, with no money and no expertise whatsoever. (you can find it at <a href=“http://www.newsociety.com)%5B/url%5D”>www.newsociety.com)</a>. Pure “chutzpah”.</p>

<p>I doing this informal column for a homeschooling magazine with Joyce Reed, former Associate Dean at Brown, who homeschooled 5 kids on the beach in Hawaii, before returning to her post at Brown (she is now retired, and does college counseling). This will probably take several posts - the article is coming out in the fall. Make what you will of it:</p>

<p>Secret Spaces, Hidden Places</p>

<p>David: So we’ve titled our column “What Really Matters”, a place to sort through our experience, both in the education of our homeschooled children, in the culture at large, and in our own journeys. We are seeking to hold up to the light what did indeed make a difference in our lives, what was a waste of time and energy, what held us back and what moved us forward in that spiral dance we call living. In case, I haven’t done so yet, I want to thank Mary and Michael Leppert, the publishers of The Link, for this opportunity.</p>

<p>Try as I may, I find it difficult to reconstruct the emotional tenor of my teen years. The little of what I can conjure up is that of a confused adolescent, without strong emotional attachments, and rather flat affect. I grew up in a working class town inside the New York City limits. Today, Bellerose has some quarter of a million residents (making it what would be by far the second largest city in Washington State, where I now reside, but to this day you won’t find it on any maps.) There were lots of Irish Catholic firemen and policeman, folks who worked at the nearby Sperry Gyroscope Plant, and upwardly mobile but relative poor Jewish folks who managed to buy houses in the early 1950s with subsidized GI loans. </p>

<p>What is interesting to know about my town is that it had no bookstore, no record store, no community orchestra, no playhouse (one movie theater), no town band. There were no lectures outside of those held at churches or synagogues, not even in the very small town library, Concerts in the park would be long in the future. There were no dance studios or art classes or nature clubs as far as I am aware, and a very small Little League (most folks couldn’t afford it, and thought it was rather strange anyway, since one could play stickball for free). No Elks or Rotaries from what I can recall, though there were all kinds of Masons – the traditional variety for Protestants, Knights of Pythias for Jewish folks, Knights of Columbus for Catholics. These religious and, to some degree, ethnic lines were never crossed. (Our Cub and Boy Scout troops were equally segregated; as, for the most part, were our public school classes, but that’s the stuff of another essay.) Folks commuted to work, and came home, though it was in an age where “homemaker” was still considered a “respectable” occupation. My mother read, mostly novels I think – she became a schoolteacher while I was young; I don’t believe my father ever read a book in his life, though he had a subscription to National Geographic, where I think he satisfied his thirst for barebreasted women.</p>

<p>Anyhow, I was a smart kid, or so it was thought, and was accepted into a science magnet public high school in Manhattan, which meant an hour and a half trip each way to and from (one bus, and a minimum of two subway trains, though sometimes I used to vary it, and could make it in the same time by taking four.) School was a dreary shower about which I can tell more than my share of tragicomic stories (and often do), though almost none of them about anything I learned (about which I remember virtually nothing.) But I was good at it, and well-rewarded for my efforts and hence thought I liked it, then, and for the next decade. I had no mentors. I knew no scientists, mathematicians, poets, doctors, lawyers, journalists, engineers, automechanics, woodworkers; in fact, to the best of my memory, my life was bereft of significant adults, an emptiness that I still grieve to this day.</p>

<p>I don’t know exactly how this happened, but one of my fellow students (likely from the school debating team) must have told me about the Brentano’s bookstore up on 47th Street. From what I can recall, I had never been in a bookstore before (though my father used to buy me Golden Nature Guides in a local malt shop. Looking back at it, this seems even more remarkable to me, as growing up, I don’t remember knowing anyone who visited a bookstore, and never any members of my immediate or extended family.) I can see myself walking down the open spiral staircase with marble stairs to the “academic books” department, and standing before a set of pinewood shelves virtually under them, labeled “Sociology”. I don’t remember knowing what “Sociology” was. But, over a period of months, I purchased several books, some of which I own to this day. They clearly date me. There was Edgar Friedenburg’s Coming of Age in America, Paul Goodman’s Growing Up Absurd (which strongly influenced John Holt), Camus’ The Rebel, David Riesman’s The Lonely Crowd, and works by the psychologist Kenneth Keniston, The Uncommitted and Young Radicals. I have no clue as where I could have heard of such books, but now that I look back at them, the very titles suggest the various compartments of my adolescent mind. I hardly recollect what was in any of them (though I have long since reread the first three), I never discussed them with anyone (and certainly not my family), but I can strongly summon up the memory of standing silently before the sociology shelf in the store, and somehow feeling very…adult. I would return. </p>

<p>–</p>

<p>I was soon to make an even greater discovery. One day on one of my rare visits to Brentano’s, I left the store through the 47th Street exit, and walked down the street. 47th, between 5th and 6th Avenues, is still the center of the New York diamond district, and the street was full of bearded and forelocked Hasidic men, in black gabardine coats, white shirts, and hats, noisily proceeding from store to store where, through the windows, one could see the diamond cutters in skullcaps at their machines. But in the middle of the block on the north side was a little store that proclaimed “Gotham Book Mart” on the window, with slightly peeling letters reading “Wise Men Fish Here”. You had to take two steps down to get in. Inside, along the walls of what seemed almost like a long, poorly-lit corridor, and on shelves protruding from the walls, and on tables arrayed in a straight line the full distance of the store, were books, often piled high, and not even too neatly, as well as several desks. It didn’t feel at all like Brentanos, no, it was more like a shrine. An elderly grayhaired woman sat by the window, taking in what was left of the late afternoon light. (I was much later to learn that this woman was Francis Steloff, the proprietor of Gotham, the New York equivalent of Paris’ Shakespeare & Co. – the most important literary bookstore in the United States – and who championed the work of Henry Miller, D. H. Lawrence, e.e. cummings, and Gertrude Stein, and whose other customers read like a “who’s who” of the Twentieth Century literary world.) She smiled at me when I walked in, but didn’t say anything, and that was welcome enough.</p>

<p>My first emotion was one of fear. The books on the wall facing the entrance way were all expensive-looking, leather-bound editions, often tooled with goldleaf and I frankly would have been afraid to touch them. It was both Ms. Steloff’s smile and nod, and my fear of the volumes out front that propelled me further into the store. For whatever reason, I picked up books of poetry, I who had never heard of Keats or Shelley, Blake or Byron, and who had been tortured with Shakespeare in junior high school along with the rest of my classmates, and forced to learn all ten “uplifting” stanzas of Felicia Hemans’ “Casabianca” (“The boy stood on the burning deck…), with which I can torture others to this day. (I warn you not to ask unless you are prepared for the consequences.) But, no, these were first editions from little presses from around the world, and I discovered Diane Wakoski and Diane di Prima (two of the three huntresses of my life, the other being the singer Laura Nyro), and Kenneth Patchen and I became friends. This wasn’t anything like what they taught in English class! This was secret knowledge, obtained during stolen moments after school, in a place that no one else in my world would even be able to find unless they knew what they were looking for, and they wouldn’t.</p>

<p>But wait, there was more. I discovered that the second floor of the Gotham Book Mart was inhabited by the James Joyce Society. I never got to go in – apparently, all the meetings were held in the evening (when I was home in Bellerose with my four hours of homework), and I wouldn’t have known what they did at the James Joyce Society in any case. I barely knew who he was (I didn’t read Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man or Ulysses until I was in college, and, actually – and I say this with a little bit of shame – never liked them particularly.) But someone told me that one of the activities of the James Joyce Society was to, once a year, do an all day/all-night reading of Finnegan’s Wake. (Note: Gotham sold its old location, but has since reopened two blocks away at 16 East 46th Street, between Madison and 5th Avenue. The Joyce Society, Finnegan’s Wake Society, and the “Wake Watchers Reading Group” have all relocated there as well. <a href=“http://www.finneganswake.org/GothamBookMart.htm[/url]”>www.finneganswake.org/GothamBookMart.htm</a> .If you are ever in New York….)</p>

<p>For some reason, their obsession became an obsession of my own. Ah, the workings of the teenage brain! I bought a copy of Finnegan’s Wake, one of the most impenetrable works in the English language – if it could be said to be in English at all!, and decided, for reasons of which I have no memory, to make my own annotated edition. In hindsight, this was an odd choice, as I knew absolutely nothing about James Joyce, Ireland or Irish history, Dublin, Gaelic mythology, Freudian or Jungian psychology, or philology, all of which being absolutely critical to understanding the book. And these were the days before computers, no less the Internet. Virtually every line required a trip to the Atlas, a dictionary of mythology, a biographical lexicon, a map of Dublin, etc. It took me around 14 months to go through 80 pages, and filled three entire notebooks – what I would give to have those notebooks today! My parents really had no clue as to what I was doing, and I don’t recall them asking for an explanation. (Five years later, an annotated edition – not mine – LOL! – was actually published, which made me pretty excited, and slightly miffed at the same time.)</p>

<p>At the end of the process of exploring these secret spaces…I had nothing to show for it. A college admissions officer would never find anything on my list of “extracurricular activities”. I hadn’t won any contests, published a novel or even a short story or a poem, been a member of a ‘knowledge bowl’ team, traipsed around Ireland (still haven’t), formed a high school literary society. I am still searching for a fifth person who might appreciate my recitation of a 283-word sentence from Finnegan’s Wake, though I think that search has now become rather pointless (as if it were ever anything but) as the sentence is fast fading from my memory. “Use it or lose it,” as they say. But these secret spaces in the world became hidden places inside me. I knew then, even if I couldn’t put words to it, that I would become a writer, and a publisher, or simply a lover of words as they play across the heart.</p>

<p>When I look back upon the experience and try to make sense of how it has applied to our family’s homeschooling journey, and might apply to yours, it would be too simple to suggest that my parents’ benign (and loving) neglect was amply rewarded. Had I not had my daily subway adventure beginning at age 14, and the opportunity to escape the provincialism of my big small town, it is hard to know if any of this might have occurred. Assuredly there was nothing in my previous experience, and certainly nothing that happened in school itself, that would have led me toward it. I was gifted with the luxury of finding my own secret spaces for myself, in the interstices of what was essentially a 15-hour school day. The process could likely have been easier (and likely more fruitful) had I been provided with (or at least knew how to locate) mentors outside of my family, preferably a range of them from which to choose, who could have helped guide me in my quest.</p>

<p>But once I have helped my children locate and develop a range of interests, and assisted them in finding mentors and guides or simply the spaces where they can take root, I have learned to take special care to butt out. With my older daughter Aliyah, once we found the matched music composition teacher, I didn’t need to know what it was she was learning (which I wouldn’t have fully understood in any case), or hear “works in progress”, or even talk with the teacher about what they were working on together. I hoped they would share, of course, and was gratified when they so chose, but this was her world, not mine. And when I’d want to join Aliyah for a walk in the woods, I would be careful not to ask to be taken to those special places that Aliyah had chosen for herself. (In fact, to this day, I don’t know exactly where they are.) The naturalist skills she has acquired over the years from teachers and mentors are conveyed to me, when she chooses to do so, as if she is talking to a friend.</p>

<p>It seems like there is a lot of talk of top colleges = rich kids and less selective schools = not rich kids. I never looked at colleges this way. There are rich kids at all kinds of colleges. I have clients who want help with the college process and a great many seem well to do. Well, a great many of their children have poor stats and will not qualify for elite colleges, far from it. There are more like them and so I do believe there are rich kids at less selective schools. At elite schools, going by mini’s research of one elite school…I think it was Amherst he quoted…about half the students came from families with incomes over $160,000. While that is a higher proportion than in the general population, it is still only half of the student body. So, it is not like everyone at these elite schools are rich. Hey, my kids aren’t and we do not make in that income bracket you mention. It is not surprising that there are fewer poor kids at the top schools in the land. Those kids were not all afforded the same opportunities along the way that would get someone to that point. Their families may not have valued education. They simply did not have resources, good schools, mentors, role models, or expectations to go to good colleges, let alone college at all in many cases. Most of the low income kids I know here (and there are plenty) don’t necessarily aspire to college. Their parents did not go either. So, until lots is changed in education and in society, I don’t expect huge numbers of very poor kids to be applying to the likes of HYP. Some will make it. It is harder for them to get to that point due to many factors. And I am not talking not being bright enough. That is not the issue. </p>

<p>And so, let’s say if half the student population at an elite school come from families that are upper middle class to rich. I think it is great who my kids are mixing with. They are meeting kids from around the world, from all over the country, from all sorts of backgrounds and from various socio economic classes and racial classes and religions (this kind of mix is one things that selective schools aim for). I’m glad they have met some rich kids. They grew up with some poor kids. Each experience in their lives, and the various people they meet, enriches their world view. My kids know some kids now who own at least three homes. None of their home friends have more than one home, including us but it is eye opening to meet the other end of the spectrum as well. They get invited here and there. And then I like that they have friends at home in subsidized housing. I feel my kids can now mix with all sorts of people. Whomever they meet, rich or poor, they learn. I like that they have known peers from one end of the spectrum from their home area to another end of the spectrum…through summer programs or college. They truly can mingle with all types. In my community here, we are used to mixing with folks who are professionals and have all sorts of degrees at the same events with farmers, artisans, chefs, delivery people, waiters, gardeners, ski instructors, and so on. Where we live, nobody cares. The socio-economic and educational classes mix heavily as a community here. </p>

<p>If at college, my kids meet more from one certain income level, it is just more exposure that differs from others they know. It is a good thing, I think. However, I don’t think elite colleges have an exclusive on rich kids. Lotsa rich kids right here at UVM too, except they are usually the out-of-state kids!</p>

<p>And frankly, I think a lot of negativity is being flung at those who are wealthy and a lot of stereotyping of them as well. Maybe that is politically correct? Would people like all this disparaging of poor people? Why is talking about very selective schools and less selective ones have to do with rich vs. poor anyway?? I realize many selective schools cost a lot but there are many less selective schools that also cost a lot. So, that can’t be it.</p>

<p>With my younger daughter Meera, the case has been essentially the same, made easier by the fact that, making use of her gifted social skills, she most usually finds mentors and guides among adults by herself. Most recently, having decided to take a break from her classical piano studies to take up jazz (with our ecstatic approval), she found and contracted with her own teacher. I have spoken with the teacher, a local working musician, giving him the rundown of what I know about Meera’s particular knowledge, talents, and deficits (most of which he already knew anyway, having apparently been hearing about Meera for months from the leader of his group, the saxophonist Bert Wilson.) What surprised him, however, was that I did not want to sit down with the two of them to help them plot out a course of exploration. I explained that, as far as that goes, I was actually superfluous to the process. I would purchase the necessary books and CDs, get Meera physically where she needed to be, and write the necessary checks, but that my trusting her to make good decisions about what she needed to learn was part of what she required to grow. In turn, he promised to introduce her to other teachers and mentors along the path of her becoming the musician, and person, she was meant to be.</p>

<p>This has required some discipline on my part, a “hands-on” parent. I have had to learn to let go. I have had to accept that my children may occasionally make learning choices that would be different from my own, and that, perhaps, even they, in the long run, may consider “mistakes”, and that mistakes are often the source of our most important, and most long-lasting learning. </p>

<p>Above all, over time and through knowing them well, I have learned to trust them. John Holt once said that all of his work could be boiled down to just two words: “Trust children.” Having spoken with thousands of homeschooling families over much of the past decade, I have come to the conclusion that Holt’s formulation, for most parents, is just too difficult. So I’ve added a word, and turned the dictate into a process: “Trust children more.”</p>

<p>The secret spaces are not secret if we demand to know all there is to know about them; the hidden places in the heart are not hidden if we demand they always be on display. The fledgling butterflies of adolescence do not reveal the miracle of their being through dissection, or by being kept in the cocoon, but by being allowed to stretch their wings, and sprinkle our heads with their fairy dust, the radical electricity of youth. And if the dust is robust enough, and we don’t rub it off, we might just find ourselves able to fly again as well.</p>