<p>Wow. I didn’t notice who made this thread until I read the tags. Totally forgot bout it… lol</p>
<p>How does that make me a sociopath?
I didn’t say I didn’t have sympathy for rape victims. I just feel that people need to be held accountable for their actions regardless of how sober they are. I can’t rob a bank and say please don’t hold it against me, I was high on pcp. If you choose to drink that much, that is all on you. If you don’t have enough self-control to prevent yourself from getting so drunk that you can’t tell the difference between rape and consensual sex then there is a problem. I don’t think anyone should be taken advantage off while under the influence of a drug.</p>
<p>Dpgriff, sometimes people are taken advantage of when they didn’t choose to take drugs. (For instance, at most of the frat parties on my campus, the girls get a special mix of punch that usually has Ambien or some other sleeping drug in it).</p>
<p>Oh, ok. FU mods for editing my posts. I can’t ask why people are hating on carmy for no reason, but other users can create those tags and make un-based claims that others are sociopaths? Keep letting itachirumon ■■■■■ every where, idiots.</p>
<p>@Dpgriff - Right… because nobody’s ever spiked a girl with date rape drugs, Rohypnol is a myth. You don’t seem to be… educated on what actually happens during a date rape. And incidentally… you yourself said you held no sympathy. Lack of sympathy for a person IS sociopathy. That’s…quite literally one of the definitions. But you know what? It shouldn’t matter. So men are allowed to get as drunk as they want, but not women, because they might be taken advantage of? Or does it apply to men too? Nobody’s allowed to drink too much because if they do and get taken advantage of it’s their fault? NO THAT is blaming the victim. It’s wrong, and it’s disgusting. You don’t blame the victim.</p>
<p>@Mathemagician - I’m not a ■■■■■ dear, and I don’t particularly like being compared to one in the presence of Cormy who has done virtually nothing but ■■■■■. His (Dpgriff’s) comment betrayed a lack of empathy for people who are raped. As I said, that’s sociopathic behavior. To give a similar example, Remember: it’s not a Godwin if they’re actually acting like/advocating practices of Nazis. Like that, it’s not an unbased claim if his behavior suggests it.</p>
<p>Itachirumon, people might be viewing you as a ■■■■■ because of the hostile tone in your posts. It reads as someone trying to yell through the computer screen. If you posted in a calmer fashion you would probably be taken more seriously.</p>
<p>Yelling through the computer screen? Yeah… no. I post with emphasis, not yelling. I can make my point without yelling - when I do yell, it’s because someone’s posted something so utterly inaccurate and offensive that yelling is the most polite response possible to what they said. I’m passionate about what I say and refuse to apologize for that.</p>
<p>Hostile? I’m only hostile to fools and the discriminatory. I don’t back down - some people dislike that. I dislike misinformation. When someone posts something factually incorrect, I feel the need to correct them - especially when it’s offensive. I’m gonna ask you something - is what I say wrong? Is it factually incorrect in any way? If my posts are going to be disregarded as the rambling of a “■■■■■” because people think they’re angry and hostile, then there are a few problems there. 1) That means they’re not reading the content of the posts; while he might be a comedian, Lewis Black can scream his opinions and people are able to see past the screaming to the political/social commentary underneath. 2) While I’m responding passionately with well thought-out posts and getting called a ■■■■■ for it, actual ■■■■■■ and people who make offensive posts get away with what they say because their posts are “calmer.” 3) I note when I make posts using facts, there are certain people who like to respond by saying I’m more or less “persecuting” them in different words. In most cases, I don’t post something unless I can back it up factually; they are permitted to their “opinions” and not their own “facts” and those opinions are not exempt from criticism - especially when they fall into the category of something wildly offensive.</p>
<p>I haven’t read all of these posts, but I feel like some people are missing something very, very simple here. Say, for example, that X is at a party on a Saturday night. X is also drunk. X doesn’t get raped that night and goes home fine.</p>
<p>X goes to a party on Sunday night. X is, again, drunk. However, this time, X gets raped.</p>
<p>What’s the difference here? Why did X get raped one night and not the other? Why, because Y was at the party on Sunday and raped her.</p>
<p>Does this clear things up? It doesn’t matter whether or not X is sober. It doesn’t matter whether or not X is drunk. What makes all the difference is the presence and actions of the rapist.</p>
<p>Instead of telling X to “not go to parties” and to “not get drunk”, how about we just teach Y that rape is not acceptable? Because X wouldn’t have been raped had Y realized that rape is never okay and that NO = NO. No does not mean “keep trying”. No means no means no means no.</p>
<p>Also, the biggest ■■■■■ here is cormy. Nobody else even comes close. He’s like the King of ■■■■■■ in the College Life forum.</p>
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ignore the ■■■■■</p>
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some people being the incompetent mods missing the simple fact that cormy should be banned</p>
<p>I don’t think the main conversation here is whether no=no. If anyone disagrees on that point, then I don’t know how to change their mind, because that is simply sick. </p>
<p>The issue is whether a person who is intoxicated can give consent. So on the night in your example that X gets raped, what if X consented to the sex while under the influence of alcohol? Personally I think it is ridiculous to say that after a sip of alcohol, it is impossible to give consent; almost everyone on here knows that after 1 drink, hardly anyone is so intoxicated to the point that they will make bad choices. The issue is where we draw the line of “too drunk” to give consent.</p>
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<p>That really ought to be the best course of action… but then what’s the fun in not debating someone so clearly incorrect and incontinence-inducingly offensive? Especially after they closed Propeller.com and CC’s politics forum, I have nowhere to go to get my fix of awful/fundy/trollish stuff haha. Getting fired up by tearing apart someone’s arguments keeps me awake - I miss getting to do that on debate forums. It was also such a great source of news when it was Propeller, I knew things that sometimes didn’t get reported on CNN, CBS, NBC, etc for up to three months. We don’t get that now.</p>
<p>“incontinence-inducingly offensive” just made my day. thank you. :)</p>
<p>The “no vagina in N. Carolina” tag is fantastic.</p>
<p>that is all</p>
<p>@Emaheevul - I aim to please -takes a bow-</p>
<p>Also “Your mother” as cliche as it is had me cracking up earlier. You have all these rapist accusations and then out of nowhere “Your mother”… the “Rebecca White” one too.</p>
<p>I’m not saying people aren’t raped. I am aware that people are date raped. I do have sympathy for those people that are raped after something has been slipped into their drinks. I have sympathy for people who are actually raped. If you drug yourself (getting too drunk) and make a bad decision, that should not be considered rape whether you regret it or not. I’m talking about the people who get so smashed that they probably agreed to it but later regret their actions and play the rape card out of embarrassment and use alcohol as a defense.</p>
<p>I don’t think i’m doing a job conveying my viewpoint. I don’t want to come off as a sociopath. I guess what i’m really trying to say is that I disagree with false accusations of rape. In my belief, no matter how drunk you are (drinking on your own free will), if you agree to it, its not rape. I’m talking about people like the Crystal Mangum broad and the duke lacrosse case.</p>
<p>^Then please, you need to understand that those “false rapes” while they do occur, are insanely insanely rare. It’s a *****ed up situation because then when you advocate against them, it makes it harder for real rape victims to face their accusors and get justice, cause then people think “ah she’s just a lyin’ ho, she wanted it haha” or something. Something ‘does’ need to be done, but it’s a very difficult situation.</p>
<p>To that end, I apologize for calling you a sociopath, with this latest post that becomes inaccurate.</p>
<p>I agree, rape cases need to be handled delicately due to the rare possibility that it is a false accusation. I sadly saw one such case happen, a girl at my old high school had sex with her boyfriend in the gym and then accused him of rape, which was something that would be quite out of character for the guy…but still possible. Later she confessed that she had lied about it but damage had already been done, all the false accusations do is make it harder on the ACTUAL victims of rape.</p>
<p>No one should have to worry about being raped. Even in prison. Rapists are the scum of the earth and I can only hope that justice is brought to them.</p>
<p>I used to work with this girl and for whatever reason she lied about her dad raping her. It completely tore her family apart. Her mother and father weren’t aloud to see each other. She had some mental issues and it was later revealed that nothing had happened. It came out of nowhere. They had had a pretty strong relationship. Maybe she was jealous or wanted attention or something but the whole situation angered me so much which is why I have such strong anti false-rape accusations.</p>
<p>^Wow, yeah sounds like she does have some issues. I’m not quite sure what would cause that… malingering, Munchausen syndrome? A personality disorder? I can see where you’re coming from now and that makes things a lot different.</p>
<p>doesnt the innocent until proven guilty make sense? it ok for a few guilty to get off rather than condemn and innocent man …in this case, a few rapists getting off it better than one false accusation (duke lax team)</p>