What do you do when your student is failing and flailing?

We are really at a loss. On one hand, we really appreciate how important it is for kids to learn to be independent and handle their crises on their own. For our daughter, this is especially true: she wants this autonomy and we have seen in the past how positive and helpful its been when she’s been the one to overcome obstacles and prove to herself she can do it.

However… for the past 2 semesters we’ve been more or less letting her try to handle things on her own, and it’s not working.

So the basic question is: when do parents intervene and how much.

If anyone cares to read the specific situation, I’ll try to be concise. Brief history:

  • In high school she had trouble with very major depression, self-harm, and ADHD. Got things together senior year, really pumped to be at her college.

-First semester 3.8 GPA. Loves school. Went off the rails a bit with pot smoking and her eating disorder -which was never very severe and had been in remission for a year- started to creep back.

-Second semester freshman year: we insisted she see a therapist at school on a weekly basis, which she did but by the end of the year she and therapist both claimed she was much better. Still, she got a D in a class and was horrified. We discussed how too much partying is not conducive to good grades and she agreed to be more moderate. Unlike high school, though, when we could say “no smoking pot or you’re grounded”, all we could do was discuss it with her like adults and point out the harm she was doing to herself and that she was jeopardizing what she really wanted (to be at college.)

-This semester: ugh. To start with, she has been going longer and longer between texts. Almost NO phone calls. Much less sharing with us of her life. Which of course is all perfectly normal for young adults, but…

She’s also really going full-on into her new lesbian lifestyle. Dyed hair, piercings and tattoos (including home made stick-and-pokes which we feel are very dangerous re: disease.) Hanging out with several kids who are not students (one on academic probation, one on mental health leave, one who just lives in town.) Now, we are VERY liberal and supportive parents. We have absolutely NO issue whatsoever with her sexuality. We do worry about her strong focus is this lifestyle, though, which must take focus away from school, if her grades are any indication.

School: she took a very tough courseload, with two subjects she historically does terribly in, and three science lab courses (ie much more class time.) It’s looking likely that she will fail one class and get a D in the other (last I checked she said she probably had an A and B in the other two.)

Partying: the first month of school she spent $400 (!!!) on drugs and alcohol (and probably her piercing was part of that. It’s her “entertainment” fund.) We confronted her that this was not OK. She said, yeah, I know, I’m going to fix it. But it continued to a lesser degree. Now, she does have a campus job that is supposed to cover her daily expenses, books, laundry, etc, so technically its her own money. However, she borrowed a bunch of money to live on campus this summer and owes us about a grand still, and is supposed to be paying us back out of her paycheck. So I’m more than a little pissed off that she’s spending that money on weed and alcohol rather than paying us back. And from an emotional, mental health standpoint having that debt to us is terrible. She’ll feel much better when that’s gone.

She also told us at Thanksgiving that she’s started seeing a drug-and-alcohol counselor on campus. That is GREAT, at least it’s a step. but a couple of things about that concern us. One is that we wonder if perhaps she is going there because she got in trouble for drugs at school (that’s their “first-offense” consequence) and the other is that we feel she should be seeing someone who is addressing things more holistically: the depression and anxiety and anorexia (if its an issue at all) in addition to the substance abuse.

She also told her Dad before Thanksgiving that she was really stressed by the thought of seeing me, her mom. This was heart-breaking to hear, because I want to be a source of support and strength and love for her, NOT a source of more stress! So heartbreaking. He talked to her about it and thinks it has a lot to do with her feeling bad that she’s doing poorly in school and partying too much and feels ashamed. In any case, its awful and I can tell she doesn’t want to come home for Christmas either. She and I have been very close so I just don’t know what to do… but thats another whole problem I guess.

She also looked thinner than I’ve seen her in years at Thanksgiving. So I worry about anorexia again.


OK. So if she fails, she may get put on academic probation. Or not have enough credits to go on to junior year.

Financially, we are sharing the burden with her. She has a 10-hr-week campus job and takes the max federal subsidized loans ($4000 or $5000 this year I think?) and contributes about $3,000 of her summer savings. We pay the rest, this year it’s probably about $9,000 and next year will be $15,000 - and this is very difficult for us. We have no retirement fund or assets.

Thoughts?

I don’t have any suggestions right now for what to do, but I understand why you are so concerned. Even if your daughter’s grades were great, her drug and alcohol use and loss of weight would be ringing alarm bells. I do wonder if she doesn’t want to see you because she knows that you have noticed her weight loss; that’s very typical anorexia behavior. (“If mom doesn’t see me, she won’t know that I’m thinner, and she won’t say or do anything, and I can keep losing weight.”)

In my humble opinion, this is so beyond the scope of college confidential advice. And even if you do get advice from people who are unqualified to do so, it’s going to be all over the map. I have to assume you are getting advice from a reputable professional where you live. My heart goes out to you as a parent and I hope you somehow find peace in how you are advised to proceed.

One of my nephews partied his freshman year, got horrible grades and lost his merit scholarship. His high-income parents pulled the financial plug, and nephew withdrew from college and enlisted in the military.

He did 2 years active duty in Afghanistan, developed maturity, then returned home. He re-enrolled via the G.I. Bill and finished strong. I am really proud of him, and I’m really impressed w my BIL/SIL for exercising tough love when paying his tuition would have been no skin off their back.

If OP wants daughter to consider this path, then daughter needs to get “clean” to pass the drug testing.

Get professional advice/counseling - definitely do not listen to people on college confidential for the one of the most important thing in your life-your daughter and her well-being
Drugs is a HUGE problem-bad health is a HUGE problem
Schoolwork should basically be the top priority, parties should be at a minimum.

I agree with the other posters that you should seek professional help right away for yourself. Work with the counselor to make a plan about how to approach your daughter about this complex situation. I would not wait something bad happens.

I am so sorry; these are very challenging times and issues. It is excruciatingly difficult to know the right thing to do. I would go with the tough love approach, in a loving and supportive way. I would say that if she can’t perform adequately, it does not make sense to go on with that course of action and she should come home and take some time off to get to a better place to be able to learn and perform if she resumes her studies. I would get her counseling at home and have her work at “Big Coffee” or similar so she gets a realistic perspective of what life the boring and hard way is like. But I would do it all in a loving and nonjudgmental/non-accusatory way. Simply state the facts and what it would take to merit the continued support to stay in college, if she wants that.

I agree with @educateddarcy, we can’t give professional advice, nor would we want to on CC, it’s a life event for your family and needs several professionals who are experienced and well-trained.

Get help through your PMD, referrals from mental health professionals and some dietary guidance.

I’m so sorry you’re going through this. I agree that you, your husband, daughter, entire family should seek professional advice. I’ve seen this type of thing happen on the high school level - there are different approaches so I don’t think random advice from CC would be appropriate.

The only thing I would say is be in full agreement with your husband on whatever decision you make as parents and family. Focus on health, both mental and physical, before school. If that means withdrawing from school so your child can return to a good mental and physical space, that’s okay.

Agree with everyone so far. She’s navigating a lot right now. Navigating school on top of all that may not be her best choice. I say time off to right the ship. But get professional advice.

And I’m sorry. This is really hard.

Hugs to you, OP.

At least your DD is seeing a drug counselor at school. I suspect this person is similarly trained to recognize anorexia and other dual diagnosis. Can you request a family session, either in person or by phone, with your DD present? Or, will your DD agree, in writing, to let her therapist communicate to your therapist?

So the basic question is: when do parents intervene and how much.

i’ll bite. the answer is, you intervene as much as you see fit when there are legitimate concerns. she’s still your child, and she’s still a human being that appears to need help, whether she herself can see that or ask for it.

by your post, it sounds like you already know the answer and just want some outside validation.

so I say, go with your gut.

Thank you all for your kind words. Much appreciated.

I can’t give you advice, because I feel like the situation is too profound for you to rely on me, but if it were me in this situation, I’d bring her home from school and start from scratch. I’d look at what’s working, what’s not working, and start some intensive therapy with everyone in the family together and individually.

And I’m so sorry you’re going through this-if you were my friend IRL I could give you a hug, but internet hugs are never as good. Be strong.

I’ve seen lots of advice given here about issues that are really beyond our scope of expertise, but it’s mostly advice based on personal experience. I think if you were dealing with just one or two issues, someone here might be able to offer you something you could at least consider, but…

You’ve listed a mental illness (depression) with self-harm, ADHD, an eating disorder, and suspected drug abuse. It’s a potentially volatile combination and you really need professional opinions. Start with the family doc if you don’t know who to call. Don’t be afraid to ask about some inpatient assessment.

Sending you a virtual hug here too . . . my mom’s heart hurts for you. Hang in there. Hoping you find clarity and peace. All is not lost, but I would seek qualified help immediately to sort through all this.

Trust your gut instinct. Think of the BIG PICTURE, not just the short-term frustrations over not fitting into the traditional 4 year college plan.

Get counseling for you and your spouse to make these tough decisions and to figure out how to present a united front when your D comes home. Have a structured plan for what you will say, your conditions for paying for future college tuition, laying out resource options for getting her help, etc.

Be prepared for several types of responses from your D. Even a great plan of action can be rejected by someone who is not thinking clearly. Decide what house rules you will enforce, and be prepared to have D refuse to obey and choose to live elsewhere.

As others have mentioned, keep this discussion as level-headed as you can. This will be extremely difficult, and you will want to cave in to her threats and demands. Stay strong, you are fighting for her life here.

((Hugs)) to you.

We had similar experiences but as others have said, some things require professional advice and intervention. You seem to be asking permission to be worried, concerned, and pull her out of school. If she could withdraw, with her record intact, then address her many issues and then (if she desired and was clean and stable) try to finish her degree, that seems like an appropriate shape to her future journey. Don’t get stuck on the notion that she has to finish right now, or finish at all, or finish at that school. It seems to a casual, outside observer that those are the least of your problems at the moment. Listen to your mom-radar. Between the drugs and the friends and the ADHD, she will tell you anything, with love in her heart, with good intentions, with stalling for more time, with accusations and lies. I expect much of her progress and claims of help are lies. Not to hurt you, but out of panic, shame, and aversion (ADHD kids – avoidance is the #1 strategy when they’ve lost control of structuring their life and have handed it off to drugs, partying, friends, indolence, etc…)

What would you tell a friend? Find a way to withdraw her, but mostly, find some professional help of some kind ASAP for all of you. This does not seem to be a situation that will miraculously fix itself. Call her up, bring her home to talk, or go there to see her. Be frank, be fair, be her mom, be honest, love her, tell her over and over that you are worried but ready to be on her side, always. ((hug)) to you all, this is so hard to figure out while you are in it!

I have no advice but I assume that you know that some ADHD drugs have side effect like causing kids to not want to eat. So if she is on a drug for her ADHD that may be part of why she has lost weight.