What is "Privilege"?

The real privilege comes from traits that aren’t so easy to measure – having a generally upbeat attitude, a high happiness set point, a high level of physical stamina, a high degree of practical intelligence, good “soft” people skills, being born with an ability to project confidence, high charisma levels, natural skills or talents, naturally good organization skills etc etc etc are significantly more important to whether one person is “privileged” over another than most of the things on the list.

Even seemingly negative traits – lacking certain types of empathy, having a bloated sense of your own importance, having an essentially selfish point of view – can work as “privileges” in certain settings.

At intermediate levels of privilege, yes.

But does any of this matter if you live in a situation where you’re uncertain whether you’ll be able to obtain food for your children today?

I agree. I was born in the South, haven’t lived there in over 30 years, and still have a pronounced Southern accent. (I can modulate it if I want, but most times I just don’t care enough to do so.) I also have two graduate degrees and was Phi Beta Kappa in college, but I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been treated like I’m stupid once I open my mouth - and I’m not opening my mouth to say “Please pass the possum, y’all.”

I’m surprised none of the questions deal with beauty or attractiveness. Lots of studies show that the handsome man or beautiful woman is more likely to get the job. And as children they are more likely to be given favorable treatment by teachers. That’s a huge advantage.

To answer Marian’s question – of course none of those factors matter in that situation. But that’s not what we are talking about. I personally think the biggest privilege is a social or familial safety net that will protect from true starvation or homelessness.

I did not watch it. IMO the first and foremost privilege that every person neglects is a privilege of being born. We forgot that, we do not enjoy our lives, every minute of it, we do not care about ourselves and many die pre-maturely, they caused their privilege being taken from them. Life and everything in life is privilege.

True, Miami. We spend so much of our lives quibbling over who has a better life than we have that we fail to look at the bigger picture. All human beings won the lottery of the universe in just being born at all.

Re 106: wow I cant tell you how profoundly much I disagree with that statement. Too much for a message board on the internet.

The whole “this is crying victim thing” is a common refrain when you mention that people have privilege they often do’n’t think about. For some, who come from modest circumstances and are proud of what they did, they see this as a slap at what they accomplished, seeing that as saying “if you made it, if you were poor, rural white and you made it to the upperclass, it was because your were white”, which is not true. For some of the privileged elite who were born with a platinum spoon in their mouth, it is a similar thing, they don’t want to admit that their economic and racial background helped them.

For example, when Paul Ryan in response to people talking about how hard it is to work in a fast food restaurant and then work your way up, said “I worked in a McDonald’s as a teenager”. It is not untypical, but what he didn’t see was that working in the McD’s for him was a way to pick up pocket money (which is fine), but he wasn’t working their to survive. He was going to a prep school, was getting set up to go to an Ivy league school, and had the backing of a family fortune, he didn’t have to worry that if he got sick he would be saddled with bills or not get treatment, he didn’t have to worry that if his car broke down he wouldn’t have transportation to get to work, and so forth. Mitt Romney talked about his early days with his own business, how they had a basement apartment, how their table was a door on two saw horses and so forth, and he made it seem like he started with nothing…while I commend him building a business, it also is leaving out so much he probably didn’t even think of. If he or Anne got sick with cancer, he wouldn’t have had to worry about paying for it, his family was well off enough it didn’t matter. If his car broke down and he didn’t have the money to repair it, his dad would lend him the money. If his business failed and he had no place to live, he would have resources. Not to mention he had the mentoring of his dad, and also a lot of heavy hitter friends, who also would become the core of his business clientele. I am not saying Romney didn’t earn what he has, what I am saying is that he had benefits someone who was poor wouldn’t have, that’s all, and that is what this says.Knowing someone has your back, especially if you are an entrepeneur, is huge, knowing if you want to start a business and don’t have health insurance your wife and kids will have medical care is huge, knowing if something failed you wouldn’t be homeless and on the street is huge, that safety net makes a huge, huge difference.

My problem isn’t with privilege, everyone has various forms of it. If you are born with a good mind, it is an unearned privilege. If your father is a high ranking executive and politician, it gives you access to knowledge and people and financing you wouldn’t have if your dad was a garbage man,it is unearned privilege. If your skin color is white or you are male, there is privilege associated with that. If you have a strong family support network, it is a privilege compared to those who don’t (and yes, there are strong, poor families who aren’t white, stories of the family of a sharecropper where the kids all went to college and professional school are out there, as are many more, and there are rich kids who end up on the slag heap, do nothing but be celebrities and otherwise waste their life. Within a couple of generations of ole cornelius vanderbilt most of his descendents were quite ordinary, for example.

The point isn’t about victimhood, it is to make people aware of how things like success work. Far too many people are like Paul Ryan, who claim that they personify the attributes of the ‘rugged individualists’ and refuse to acknowledge, to use a popular metaphor, that he got home starting life on 2nd or third base. When people say “I made it, so so can I”, they are basically claiming they had no help, that they had no advantages, and it isn’t true. Growing up in an area that is safe, well protected, makes a big difference, my wife was an immigrant who came here as a child with nothing, and grew up in some crappy areas,.and it had negative influences on her a kid growing up in Scarsdale wouldn’t have. A kid who has parents who are college educated, who read books and talk to the kids about issues and such, are going to have an easier time achieving in school and such than a kid whose parents are not that well educated, and so forth. What this is supposed to do is make you aware that not everyone has the benefits you do, that you had things that helped you, and make you realize that it is very easy to look from your own vantage point and not see the things you have had that helped you, that you didn’t earn.

And yes, Oprah’s kids (if she had any) would be privileged, as would the kids of the person from the inner city who made it in business or sports or entertainment, to claim the kids of an economically successful background don’t have advantages over those less fortunate is downright lying. On the other hand, the kid of the black entrepeneur who is driving an expensive car in a ritzy area is a lot more likely to get rousted by the cops, assuming the car was stolen or the kid was up to no good, then a white kid in the same circumstance.

Among other things, being aware of privilege, the things that allowed you to succeed, also means instead of looking at those who are falling behind and saying “you just aren’t trying hard enough”,maybe, just maybe, unlike certain types I don’t have to mention in public life, they can look at these people, the kids of these people, and instead of patting themselves on the back and denigrating the people they are looking at, they can say “there but for the grace of God go I”, and spare some sympathy for their plight, and maybe also look and say “what can I and others do to try and make this work?”. The rich people who endow scholarships for kids in poor areas, the ones who take an interest in kids from rough backgrounds who have a spark and mentor them, those who advocate for programs that can help kids along the path, understand this, but I think if more people looked at themselves and said “geez, compared to them, I had a lot” and even if they can’t help, they can appreciate the struggles others have. Yes, there are people you can’t help, there are people who throw away advantages they have, but to say something like "I made it, so they can’ without acknowledging the gifts they were given, not earned, that helped them succeed, is just plain wrong IMO.

So in the first quiz I netted -1 and in the second/amended one 0. I was born white, female, but in a working class/economically unstable home with uneducated parents.

I agree with those who said attractiveness and physical disability are unrepresented.

For economics, were your parents able to afford medical/dental care including emergencies without hardship is more relevant than night hours. Those of us who grew up poor know the terror parents go through when faced with major dental or medical issues. Did you have braces? If you broke your glasses could your parents afford to go out and replace them without hardship?

Other distinguishing economic questions would include: did your parents work at a job where they got dirty? Did your family ever receive gov’t benefits (other than old age ss)? Did you ever have your electricity or utilities turned off for non-payment? Excluding camp or dorms, have you ever shared a bedroom with another person not in your immediate family?

This reminds me a bit of a test a few years back about “how big is your bubble.”

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/white-educated-and-wealthy-congratulations-you-live-in-a-bubble/
You can take the “How Thick Is Your Bubble?” quiz here. ( I got a 58. “First generation middle class person with working class parents”–which is true.)

Another questions to ask since this is being asked at college

Does your family support your decision to attend college?

A variation of the college is expected but I think a more difficult problem as your family isn’t supportive or helpful. I saw this as a cultural/SE issue that surprised me when I was in high school. One female I know didn’t have her family support and they always questioned her decision to attend college (didn’t matter it was an Ivy League). The family expectation after high school were to get a job and get married. Even if your parents can’t help financially, it helps to know they are in your corner.

I got the same descriptor as @atomom …score 60.

I think what is irritating about this survey, is that it is an obvious attempt to lead heterosexual white guys who didn’t gro up poor into making the self discovery…gee, look at how privileged I am. I am so humbled by my privilege! Only four of the questions did not address those aspects (to my count, the ones about parent’s education and single parenthood).

Of course, if this was just another one of the million articles about the same old stuff, it wouldn’t go very far. People are pretty sick of hearing it. Instead, gee whiz, let’s have people (I mean, rich, heterosexual white guys) discover for themselves how privileged they are.

How about a survey that asked some of the more pressing questions about privilege. How about, are you significantly overweight? Double the negative score if you’re a woman. Do you consider yourself unattractive? Double the negative score if you’re a woman. Do you have a personality disorder? Do you have Asperger’s or are you introverted? Are you self confident? Were you abused as a child? Did someone in your household have addiction issues? Did your parents beat or degrade you? Are you handicapped, mentally or physically? How old were your parents when you were born? Were both parents in the household when you were growing up? Were your parents abusive towards each other? Do you have depression or mental illness, or were you raised by someone with depression or mental illness? Are you extremely tall or extremely short? The list could go on and on.

I note that religion was not included. There are certainly advantages and disadvantages in being of certain religions. And a lot of that also depends on where you are in this country.

I note that the young women at D’s college who make a big deal out of privilege often fail to note that by attending an elite LAC for close to free (coming out of the backs of we full- pay “privileged”) they themselves are utterly privileged beyond belief - certainly more than 99% of 18-22 yos in this country.

And a lot of white males that age who supposedly have privilege by dint of being white and male are serving our country and putting their lives in danger.

"When people say “I made it, so so can I”, they are basically claiming they had no help, that they had no advantages, and it isn’t true. "

No, they aren’t. I think it is condescending and insulting to assume that people with privilege aren’t reasonably aware of it. It’s that smarmy tone that is off putting.

“The real privilege comes from traits that aren’t so easy to measure – having a generally upbeat attitude, a high happiness set point, a high level of physical stamina, a high degree of practical intelligence, good “soft” people skills, being born with an ability to project confidence, high charisma levels, natural skills or talents, naturally good organization skills etc etc etc are significantly more important to whether one person is “privileged” over another than most of the things on the list.”

Agree completely. I’d add natural work ethic and discipline.

I feel like I could answer these questions so many different ways. On one hand, I was raised by a single mother in a working class neighborhood; my bio father committed suicide and I was molested by a family friend as a young teenager. I nearly died from medical complications when I had my twins, and they were very ill. By rights. I shouldn’t pick my head off the pillow, right? Otoh, I went to an elite school at full pay as my family ultimately did well, had a great career, got to travel, got to make a lot of money and provide well for my family, etc. So I’m extremely privileged (as are my kids) by any rational measure. So which is it? Privileged or not?

" Mitt Romney talked about his early days with his own business, how they had a basement apartment, how their table was a door on two saw horses and so forth, and he made it seem like he started with nothing…while I commend him building a business, it also is leaving out so much he probably didn’t even think of. If he or Anne got sick with cancer, he wouldn’t have had to worry about paying for it, his family was well off enough it didn’t matter. If his car broke down and he didn’t have the money to repair it, his dad would lend him the money. If his business failed and he had no place to live, he would have resources. Not to mention he had the mentoring of his dad, and also a lot of heavy hitter friends, who also would become the core of his business clientele. I am not saying Romney didn’t earn what he has, what I am saying is that he had benefits someone who was poor wouldn’t have, that’s all, and that is what this says."

Okay. But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? He was talking about his background, his life. Must one always follow talking about their life with how much harder it would have been for others? What is even the point?

@Pizzagirl

LOL… I need to +1 to my privileged column…now that I no longer need said products I am privilege to have yet ONE MORE drawer in the bathroom…As the count stands…H- 2 drawers, Me -4.

And, as to #116, yup! It seems that one can have the results show just what one wants the results to show. Provocative questions, sure…we can call them that. Actual value to the end total…meh…little indication of where you are today.

Wasn’t there a religion question something to the effect of “my religious holidays are national holidays” (EG mainstream).