what would you say to your son?

my son is 17. he’s found himself in a bit of a bind and is paying a price he believes is unfair. Did I mention he’s 17? A little background. He’s a junior, NHS, takes AP’s, a strong B student, has nice friends. But it’s been a very very lonely year. I will get to that in a minute. Over the past 3 years he’s used weed on occasion. He’s been caught by us (noticed he’s stoned, found it, or he’s flat out admitted the occasional use when asked). And we’ve counseled him like we have the older siblings as to our level of tolerance. It’s zero tolerance I might add. Yet, we know that some teens will test the waters, so we let him tell us where he’s at, hear him out, and then we stay on message. Which is, we don’t think it’s healthy, you’re too young to be using this or alcohol, and until you’re much older, it’s in your best interest to stay substance free. Since we can’t follow you around, if it rears it’s ugly head and lands on our doorstep, there will be consequences. And there have been. Some very short, some long (made him wait a year to get his license since driving you need to be sober, period). He’s come around, kinda see’s our side and seems glad to be no longer as interested, or so he’s says. But, through it all, he’s claimed that ALL of his friends use from time to time. My comeback is thanks for sharing, how’s that working out for them by the way, and I appreciate your candor, but it’s not going to in any way change my mind and decide it’s okay.

Because he’s grown up with these friends, and because he’s pretty open with them, he’s been vocal about his situation with us, and shares his consequences. And he claims their reaction is one of sympathy but also, so glad they’ve never been caught. This past year, it’s pretty obvious that he’s not as welcome, and most definitely not at one friends house at all. Further, he found out that the parents have asked their son and the other’s to lie about what they’re doing, because he’s not welcome. His closest friend said he hates having to lie and thinks it’s bogus, but just the way it is. BTW, known the dad for years, he’s a judge, nice guy, but still, the welcome mat has been removed with regard to my son.

So here’s the kicker for my son. He’s lonely, he’s hurt, he’s feeling isolated by all this. He came to me to vent. Says the parents are total phonies, all nice to him in public, but making his friend lie, and he really thinks the friend to be one of the nicest kids he knows. So he wrote the parents an email outing them in the nicest of ways mind you, and further lets them know that he thinks that while he might have made some mistakes, and he sincerely apologizes for that, he’d like to let them know that he’s aware of the situation and he wants them to know he’s aware. He asked me if he should send it. I read it and told him no. And here’s what I told him. I said that the only person in life that he has power over and can control is himself. He has no right to ‘out’ these parents, regardless of how unjust, or fake, or bad it feels. It’s their business to run their lives and household however they see fit. If they decide that they think he’s a bad influence that’s their prerogative, end of story. I asked him why now, why is it suddenly so painful? He says that he’s so sick of asking what the others are doing, getting vague answers, knowing full well that this must be one of those times that they at his house, and he says that the kicker for him, is that while he would not have taken part because he knows I might drug test him and he quite frankly likes his freedom, they ate pot brownies the other night! I told him that I was glad then that he got shut out, and he sighs and says ‘I figured’. But, I told him he’s missing the point. The point is this: he took a walk on the wild side. It has it’s price whether he likes it or not. And to feel sorry for himself, while genuine, is misdirected. And I don’t see where two wrongs make a right. That’s when he sighs even louder. Ha, gotta love teenagers! What say you? What would have been your counsel?

Find new better friends

Mine would have been the same as yours. No way should he send that e-mail; no good could come from it. I think it’s great that you have such an open line of communication with him.

I agree with m2ck. “With friends like those…”

Pretty simple: GROW UP.

This story is so convoluted and the answers are so simple.

If his friends listen to their parents, isn’t it so proper to say that he should do the same - LISTEN TO YOU!
These do not sound like real friends though. The real friends respect each other and their friends families and that includes the set of values that each family has.

I am very sorry he finds himself in this situation.

I would explain to him those parents are trying to be polite. They do not owe him invitations. They are trying to avoid hurting his feelings. Sending the email would be rude. imho.

A new friends group might help. High school isn’t that much longer.

adding: this is the time when all those ECs that keep kids too busy to get into trouble would be advisable. imho.

I feel bad for your son. I imagine it’s really hard to be suddenly isolated like this. It sounds like the other kids have just been lucky not to get caught by their parents.

Can he have the kids come over to your house?

You should have raised him correctly. It is also parent’s fault for not teaching him nicely when he was small. What I mean by nicely isn’t about like kindly speak to him. Nicely as in enough for him to understand.

It is always better to have the kid’s mom to be home most of the time to give advice. I had this neigbhor who constantly called friends to his house because his mom was in a different country and his dad was at work till very late. He partied with them everyday. He started doing some evil things as well.

Kids that come to his house are also kids whose parents do not care what they do. They all become bad. They are not loved enough…

^ Hey high schooler, maybe you shouldn’t be correcting parenting practices?

I too would think this is pretty painful for your son. It is going to be pretty tough to make a new set of friends in your Junior year of high school. The way that that could happen is through EC’s which don’t involve old friends.

He definitely should not send an email. It will be around forever to be forwarded etc. It will not change their minds, it will only fuel some fires.

Your son does need some new friends. Or change his ways. Or Both. Actions have consequences.

Have you considered the possibility that it isn’t just the parents who are banning him but his friends who don’t want him around because he has been involved in drugs? I’ve never known kids to ban another based just on a parent’s wishes. But a lot of times kids blame their actions on parents. “Sorry, can’t do that-the parents said no way.”

As a parent (say that judge) I would encourage my kid to disassociate themselves with ANYBODY involved in drugs. It’s especially important when you get older and applying to schools and jobs. You don’t want to spend your professional career explaining away youthful indiscretions.

So…if the kids involved do drugs also but don’t get caught–that’s their business. Obviously staying out of trouble with their parents (and the law) is more important than friendship with your son. And your son sounds very open with you about drug use? And who else does he tell? He might get banned for having a big mouth.

Can I just correct you - he does NOT have nice friends.ugh. Nix the email. It’s not the parents, it’s the kids. He needs new friends. It’s tough to find a new social group in your junior year but it’s not impossible.

Great job of keeping the communication lines open and honest.

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I agree with gout78. The kids are ‘blaming’ the parents for excluding him - but my guess is that this is just standard teenage behavior where the group has decided to freeze your son out and are using ‘my parents are making me’ as the excuse. The weed really has nothing to do with it since they are obviously still using it themselves. I’m sorry for your son. It’s very painful when that happens - especially when these are friends he’s had all his life. As others have said, he needs new friends.

I know it’s hard to believe at 17 that this will pass, but I would focus on reminding him that in 2 years, he’ll be at college with an entirely new peer group, the old group will have broken up, and all this will be behind him.

Tough situation, high school is hard enough socially without throwing in a monkey wrench where a kid’s “old” friends no longer match up. Trying to expand the friend horizon with some different ECs might help – clubs, quiz bowl, maybe kids who like to workout etc.

I would discourage him, very much, from communicating directly with the parents. Adults generally don’t have high tolerance for even vaguely critical communications from kids. It would likely add fuel to the fire, create more tension with the “old friends,” and perhaps create opportunity for more nasty remarks and rumors from that group.

As hard as it is to just walk away and move on – some long talks with you, a milkshake (that was my mother’s tried and true technique), and advice about how to move on, would work better. I’ve had some conflict lately with other parents, and I’ve been slow to realize that, even as a peer, I’m not going to convince them that they made a mistake. So I’m trying to just move on, and model for our teen how to do that.

A tough spot to be in, and glad you and your son are able to communicate openly, makes a big difference. Hang in there.

I seem to be missing something. Your son did what all his friends do, the only “trouble” he got in was with you, but he’s being shunned by parents who think their kids are angels? (Age old story.) Yes, he can get new friends, but what strikes me is how this situation is hurting him today. I don’t think you can just tell a kid to get over it and move on. That lesson takes a long time to learn and even adults don’t find it so easy.

I’d want to know how the parents came to know and then ban him. Someone told them, right? Why? Or is there a public piece missing here? Or something else happened among the friends and it’s the group, not their parents? Sorry, but that’s how my mama bear would wonder. I’d want to know my kid was okay, making wise social moves (aside from this “occasional” pot scenario.)

His closest friend isn’t a great friend if he goes along with it even though he doesn’t like it.
My guess would be the kids are shutting him out because they are concerned that either he or you will tell their parents, especially if they are all doing drugs while he is hanging out but refraining. They figure if he’s doing it too, he’s not going to tell on them anymore than he is going to tell on himself.

Obviously nobody lives in California, Washington, Oregon or Colorado. What is wrong with using weed on occasion?

The legal age is still 21, at least in CO and WA.