<p>“She also reported that it was pretty widely known in the Yale community that JF batted for the women’s side, well before it was speculated on in the mass media.”</p>
<p>Wow, she’s an Academy Award winner AND a varsity letter winner in softball? What a talented young lady. Surprising she hasn’t been able to find a nice guy to settle down with.</p>
<p>“When the hair is smoothed down for a pixie cut, she does look very androgynous- which is fine.”</p>
<p>This is EXACTLY why hetero women have no place making comments about female attractiveness. Apparently you missed the part of the birds and bees lesson where males over the age of 17 need something a little more stimulating than “very androgynous” to get the engine started.</p>
<p>As a hetero male, I felt no compulsion to comment on the ghastliness of Ari Onassis’s looks when Jackie married him. Why do hetero women think they are in a position to evaluate Emma?</p>
<p>Poetgirl: good for you re your hair. Does you hubby know how lucky he is?</p>
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<p>Holy Cow—LOL! Why didn’t I ever catch that? I’ll blame it on menopausal brain changes. Yeah…that’s the ticket…:D</p>
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<p>Because, as has already been said, women don’t just dress for men. I live in an all girls building, it’s not as though we all just walk around in sweats because there aren’t any men around to see. The suggestion that women only bother to look good for the benefit of men is insulting and shows a complete lack of insight into how women actually think. If anything, I think most women care more about what other women think-- or else why aren’t heterosexual men dominating fashion magazines? If I don’t know how something looks on me I’ll ask my fiance because I do care what he thinks, but I wouldn’t be caught dead walking out in a look I’m unsure of without asking another girl first. That man begs me to wear green nail polish. GREEN!</p>
<p>Emaheevul07 has it exactly right. Most women know a heck of a lot more about what is flattering and fashionable than most men. If I listened to my husband, I would be walking around today in cut off shorts and a tank top. Apparently, he thinks that is an appropriate look for a 50 year old woman on the first warm day of spring. I think not! Few men have a clue about what is appropriate and they really don’t understand fit or personal style. Every so often, my husband will get it right if I give him a choice between a couple of specific outfits, but he’s not capable of much more than that. I think he’s pretty typical. I always ask my daughter if I want good advice.</p>
<p>Nobody is doubting hetero womyn’s FASHION sense. You want to talk about fashion, be my guest. It’s the remarks about what’s SEXY on a woman that I’m questioning. Clearly, vegans could judge a cattle show at a state fair. But they are in no position to have an opinion in the hamburger contest.</p>
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<p>Seems like a distinction without a difference. The goal of the vast majority of women’s fashion, especially young women’s fashion, is to look/be sexy.</p>
<p>So Schmaltz do you consider to be a spokesman for all hetero men???</p>
<p>Schmaltz, to my knowledge, what a man finds attractive or sexy in a woman varies from man to man and same with what a woman finds sexy or attractive in a guy. We get it that you don’t like short hair on women but some men do. I happen to have had long hair my entire life but there are many very attractive women with short hair and men who find them sexy and attractive. Some men like women who don’t shave under their arms on their legs and wear no make up. Other men are not turned on by that. Some men only like thin tall women and other men find curves to be attractive. Some men love women to wear very high heels and other men enjoy the natural woman with bare feet. I could go on and on but I don’t think you speak for all men as to what is attractive in a woman.</p>
<p>Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think “sexy” exclusively means, “I’d hit that.”</p>
<p>Just spent about ten minutes trying to come up with the least crude way of saying that. :P</p>
<p>Actually, I think Schmaltz brought “sexy” into the conversation, when we were just talking about Emma’s new look vs. her old one.</p>
<p>I don’t know about sexy, in this context. I just asked my H, and he says that he doesn’t think women really hit their “sexy” stride til their late 20’s. (though he says a few have that thing, most of them seem kind of asexual to him at that age, anyway.) Though, that was not the case when he was 15-22. </p>
<p>He completely “gets” the ashton kutcher thing, from the guys perspective.</p>
<p>I’m personally just grateful the universe is kind to me and he is losing his sight close up and believes I look much better than I actually do. :eek:</p>
<p>As for Emma, he thinks she looks like she is our daughter’s age, which means, to him, she just looks like a kid.</p>
<p>I doubt many grown men would be attracted by a boyish looking haircut, or a girl that looks androgynous (unless they are gay)…therefore the comments about her looking better and sexier with long hair seem completely valid to me. And,</p>
<p>"Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think “sexy” exclusively means, “I’d hit that.”</p>
<p>Sorry, emahee, though I appreciate the time you took to come up with that one, I think that is what “sexy” means to most men. I think it may be just you!</p>
<p>Actually, I think Schmaltz brought “sexy” into the conversation, when we were just talking about Emma’s new look vs. her old one. </p>
<p>The initial word was the vague “attractive.” The philosopher in me wondered “attractive” TO WHOM? I don’t think you can use the word “attractive” in a context that doesn’t involve a “to whom.” Unlike “fashionable,” attractive is inherently subjective. Since hetero women are by definition the ones who would NOT be attracted to her, I concluded they do not have not dog in this fight.</p>
<p>And, Busdriver pinpointed exactly what “sexy” means.</p>
<p>vicariousparent, I’m not claiming to speak for all men, and you read well enough to know that nothing I said comes close to that.</p>
<p>"Seems like a distinction without a difference. The goal of the vast majority of women’s fashion, especially young women’s fashion, is to look/be sexy. "</p>
<p>Not according to the conventional wisdym here…they seem to claim women dress for women. And from all the ridiculous clothes, overdone makeup, superfluous piercings, and preposterous nails I see, I’d have to agree.</p>
<p>My boyfriend didn’t know he was supposed to wear deodorant every day until I realized he wasn’t and informed him-- and went out and bought him a stick and insisted he use it. It would be a sad, sad world if I started limiting myself to his view of what is attractive…</p>
<p>^Precisely my point…guys are in no position to be telling women what is attractive to them. And hetero women are in no position to be telling men what is attractive to them.</p>
<p>Well, this is true. I mean, if it were up to my husband, he would probably wear running shoes everywhere, but since he knows I cannot stand athletic shoes unless someone is actually participating in something athletic, he lets me get him the shoes I want him to wear. He will not, however, wear these shoes on his fishing trips with the guys. (Obviously this is fine with me, because the things he DOES wear on his trips with guys virtually assure me that he will be coming home. Alone. 
A little stinky, yes, but still alone. )</p>
<p>I love the short haircut and agree with the gamine, Audrey Hepburn comments…but then, I have short hair (not as short as hers, though!)</p>
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<p>Was anybody doing that? I can say that /I/ think her hair cut is attractive without it meaning that I think men think it’s attractive, it would be quite a jump to assume that’s what I meant.</p>