<p>“Do you really base " attractiveness” on a hairstyle?"</p>
<p>No, but in this case all other factors are the same (ie, it’s EW with the long hair and EW with the short hair), so it’s ripe for comparison. I don’t think anybody is saying Joan Rivers with long hair is hotter than Halle Berry with short hair (at least I know I’M not saying that).</p>
<p>I imagine there are men who find Halle Berry to be very pretty, attractive and sexy and she has very short hair. I can’t imagine that just cause I am a woman saying that, that it doesn’t apply to what SOME men also think.</p>
<p>Schmaltz, your viewpoint would hold a lot more water (for me anyway) if you said what YOU find attractive in women and not speak for what all men are attracted to in a woman.</p>
<p>[not to mention…from my own perspective…a guy’s looks are not the most significant thing in what I find attractive…it would not be the FIRST thing anyway]</p>
<p>How old are you, Schmalz? Clearly not a student.</p>
<p>I appreciate your post Sooziet. I hope I can clarify my points.</p>
<p>While of course what is attractive is subjective, and there is somebody for everybody, I think it is disingenuous to claim that there are not some things that have wider appeal than others. And when we see people (often people with little disposable income) spending scarce time and money on things that they erroneously think make them more attractive to lots of people of the opposite sex, somebody needs to raise his/her hand and say “Wait a minute…nobody is saying you CAN’T spend money on 4-inch fake nails instead of food, but you DO know that they aren’t REALLY making you more attractive to many men, right?” If men say that, they are sometimes dismissed as idiots with no fashion sense or as irrelevant because the women are dressing for women rather than for men. And don’t say this doesn’t happen, because it’s happened a lot even in this thread.</p>
<p>And forgive me, but if you read this thread, it sure seems like there really ARE women telling men that they (the men) should find EW’s pixie cut attractive.</p>
<p>No, not a student. An adult.</p>
<p>Speaking for myself, I never meant that men should find EW’s hair cut attractive. I said that I imagine some young men would continue to find her quite attractive and some would not. I think in the Lancome ads, she looks very pretty,but I am not a man. But I can’t imagine all men not finding that attractive, but only some. </p>
<p>As far as women dressing for other women…well, other women tend to notice fashion, whereas many men don’t care about fashion. So, let’s say a woman has a new handbag or shoes, she likely wouldn’t expect a guy to notice but another woman might. </p>
<p>As far as long fake nails…some men would hate that…I know my husband would not be attracted to that look. But there are some men who are attracted to done up fake looking dyed hair, tattoos all over, long nails, very high heels, etc. Just like some women are attracted to biker dudes, though not I. :p</p>
<p>I just don’t get how you generalize about what most men like. I know men who like a very natural look, no make up, no sexy attire, no shaving, no fancy hairdo. Other men love a dolled up look! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.</p>
<p>Times change, tastes change. I’m pretty sure Megan Fox and Angelina Jolie are considered attractive and very sexy by almost all men (and a lot of women too). Yet they have many tattoos.</p>
<p>Just out of curiosity schmaltz, do you and all the men you have known prefer flat chests or fake boobs (or should I say breast implants) if a woman is not naturally well endowed?</p>
<p>^^speaking only for myself, I prefer flat chests to fake boobs. I absolutely hate breast implants (except for legitimate medical reasons such as reconstruction after cancer surgery). I consider regular, non-medical implants to be a very unfortunate and very unnecessary form of self-mutilation.</p>
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Generalizations about certain things aren’t without merit. I don’t get this knee-jerk aversion to generalizing. Is it that we’re so hyperconscious of not offending anyone that we can’t just state the obvious? As schmaltz said, just going through normal life, you’ll have accrued enough experience hanging out with other guys in cafeterias, playgrounds, locker rooms, etc. to understand that generalizations about tastes in girls are fairly safe to make.</p>
<p>When a guy has a non-mainstream taste in women, he knows it and other guys know it as well. Many guys are cool with short hair on girls (like neck/shoulder length) but I don’t know a single guy who finds something like Emma Watson’s androgynous “pixie” cut attractive (and if he did, he’d probably concede that he is in the overwhelming minority). E.g. I don’t find Megan Fox attractive because I think she looks fake and porn star-ish but I’ll concede that I’m vastly outnumbered by guys who think she’s the hottest girl alive. </p>
<p>And as far as getting super done up is concerned, almost every guy I’ve ever known has thought that girls don’t look good with prom/wedding hair or liberally applied make up, despite the universal joy girls take in those preparations. All the effort that goes into those intricate hairstyles and make up does absolutely nothing for guys–Wait, let me say it for you: girls do it for other girls, not guys. I don’t buy it. Yeah the guy will obviously tell you what you want to hear irrespective (that you look beautiful), but he’d secretly much rather you went to prom or whatever in a tank top and leggings.) The vast majority of guys would agree that a girl looks 10000x hotter coming home from the gym in a ponytail and booty shorts than she does after 14 hours of getting done up for prom.</p>
<p>Very well said, Caillebotte. I agree with 100% of post #109.</p>
<p>Here’s another way of looking at it: Suppose you had a 300-pound niece with a mustache and blue hair. She was very depressed that she couldn’t get a date. She had saved up a thousand dollars to improve herself.</p>
<p>She was trying to decide between spending it on a full body tattoo of the Mount Rushmore …OR… electrolysis on her upper lip, her hair dyed to a natural color, and a gym membership.</p>
<p>Some here seem to be saying, “Hey, there are guys out there who will go for anything…might as well get the tattoo and just hope you find a guy out there who’s been searching all over for a big woman with blue hair, a mustache, and a Mt. Rushmore tattoo covering her torso.” But she’d probably be better off if she played the percentages and got rid of the blue hair and the 'stache, and slimmed down a bit.</p>
<p>I think all Caillebotte and I are saying is that you don’t have to do a lot of research to find out what guys TEND to prefer…which things have broad appeal and which things are so rare as to appeal mostly to fetishists. And if the stuff is expensive and time-consuming AND not attractive to most men, why do it?</p>
<p>I’m especially pleased that Caillebotte mentioned guys telling women they look good just because they know that’s what they want to hear. Are women fully aware of the extent to which men will lie in order to avoid an argument? If you had an ultra-super-hyper audio lie detector, and stuck it out your window, you would hear millions of male voices in hundreds of languages saying things like “No, your butt DOESN’T look big,” and “Steel Magnolias? Great Choice!” and “Really…I PREFER cucumber sandwiches to burritos.”</p>
<p>I think she’s hot.I remember seeing her on Letterman and thinking OMG is that Hermione?!?More than her striking beauty,it’s her intelligence,poise and elegance that just reels one in.Her hairstyle really is irrelevant to me.Is it obvious that I think she’s amazing?</p>
<p>Emma now plans to return to Brown:</p>
<p>[Emma</a> Watson: I’ll return to Brown next year - Forbes.com](<a href=“http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/07/18/entertainment-us-people-emma-watson_8571215.html]Emma”>http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/07/18/entertainment-us-people-emma-watson_8571215.html)</p>
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