<p>served it up just for you soozievt! :)</p>
<p>To the analogy, I would hate to leave this thought only in my head because then I would feel as though I were fighting a biased fight. I want this, even with all the information that is on here, to prove that POIH is ignorant and wrong. Though there isn’t science to prove that god doesn’t exist, there is some science to prove that parts of religion aren’t true such as the creation story.</p>
<p>I can see where POIH is coming from, although he/she is doing very bad at explaining it Lol</p>
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so??? What’s the harm/trouble with parents explaining to their kids? Don’t we have to explain all kinds of things to our kids when they see different things?</p>
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Poster after poster including you on this thread have told that it’s offensive for me to raise this question but you don’t think it will be offensive to all those parent who have to deal with the similar questions. *</p>
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<p>Why do you think it’s “offensive” to have to answer questions from your child? (maybe being a parent was too hard a gig for you…lol)</p>
<p>Even though my kids are now “adults” I still am explaining various things to them…other people’s customs…other cultures’ customs…other people’s religions…other people’s WHATEVER. When my kids were very little, they would ask questions about various people’s handicaps that they would see. Answering kids’ questions is not “offensive” to a parent. **It’s part of parenting. ** </p>
<p>My goodness, it’s a good thing you just had one child if you find parenting too bothersome and “offensive” when you have to explain the various differences out there in the world. </p>
<p>Heck…what did you do when you traveled with your child??? Keep blinders on her so she won’t ask you “offensive” questions when she saw religious or other differences???</p>
<p>[Judaism</a> 101: Kashrut: Jewish Dietary Laws](<a href=“Kashrut: Jewish Dietary Laws - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)”>Kashrut: Jewish Dietary Laws - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)) This site should answer your question on the oven. If you don’t take the time to actually learn what people are trying to teach you then once again I will say “YOU are UNEDUCATED”.</p>
<p>@giatns4120: Post #342. That’s a great point. Science has proven that some parts of certain religions aren’t true. I would however argue that, with the exception of certain ultra-literal religions, many don’t actually believe certain pieces of scripture verbatim but rather interpret them as analogies, teachings, etc. The point I was however trying to make was that by POIH’s definition atheism is also a superstition as it is a belief in something that cannot be empirical proven and is not based in fact. If POIH can prove empirically, without a doubt, that there is no God then yes atheism wouldn’t be a superstition. However, in POIH’s construct of a superstition atheism fits perfectly into that category as it is an irrational belief in something that cannot be proven.</p>
<p>The biggest irony is that Judaism is a religion that prizes questioning. We prize argument, too. </p>
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<p>Give me one good reason why we should give answers to this question if you’re already determined to not listen. </p>
<p>There are many, many places that you could read and learn about kashrut, if you’re interested. There is no need for any poster here to replicate information that is so readily available. If you’re really interested, you can go read about Judaism or kashrut. If you want to pick a fight, if you have no interest in becoming educated…well, there’s no point in us writing a description of something that can be found all over the web. </p>
<p>I will tell you that the kashrut of an oven has absolutely nothing to do with where the oven comes from. For the rest, you’re on your own.</p>
<p>Yes but what I was trying to say was for him that he thinks that because it’s atheism, he’s not doing his superstitions (non-secular things) in a way that “interferes” with other people’s lives, that it’s only in his head. I completely agree with everyone on this thread (except POIH) but I thought that I would make it absolutely conclusive when we prove him wrong.</p>
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<p>POIH, I can’t tell if you realize it or not, but you come across as uneducated yourself. You don’t have to believe in keeping kosher to respect that those of a certain religion have kosher laws that they practice. You don’t have to agree with the reasons. Keeping kosher involves Jewish laws. These come from the Torah. Keeping kosher involves using different pots and pans for dairy and for meat. Many Jews who keep kosher are adhering to traditions and customs of their people that go back a long time and feel an identity with their people by practicing these customs.</p>
<p>For YOUR education, here is some information on kosher ovens:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.oukosher.org/index.php/common/article/is_your_oven_kosher_what_every_kosher_cook_must_know/[/url]”>http://www.oukosher.org/index.php/common/article/is_your_oven_kosher_what_every_kosher_cook_must_know/</a></p>
<p>[|</a> National Jewish Outreach Program |](<a href=“http://www.njop.org/html/how_kosher.html]|”>http://www.njop.org/html/how_kosher.html)</p>
<p>A person who chooses to keep kosher is educated, as well as is adhering to the customs and beliefs of his/her religion even if you or I don’t follow such customs. There is nothing uneducated about following rituals of one’s faith.</p>
<p>PS…keeping kosher and having a kosher oven has nothing to do with the oven coming from Israel or Iraq. That is almost too funny. I mean you are coming across as uneducated. Sorry.</p>
<p>and by those standards then anyone with a religion AND anyone that does not believe in religion is uneducated as they all irrationally hold a belief in something that cannot be proven.</p>
<p>POIH – you are accusing others of being uneducated because YOU do not understand religious practices and instead choose to close you eyes, refuse to listen to any explanations and cry “SUPERSTITION!” – because you cannot understand the reason for something must mean that it is based in superstition. </p>
<p>I am beginning to think that the problem is that you have are using a definition of “educated” and “uneducated” that no one else accepts. You seem to equate educated with some post-religion view of the world. </p>
<p>You have defined uneducated to include anyone who follows a religious practice simply because it is a religious belief. So nothing anyone can say will convince you otherwise because it is axiomatic to you – uneducated = religious practice simply for religious belief. </p>
<p>You can’t understand there being a rationale reason for someone to engage in such religious practices so it is easier for you to dismiss it with your circular reasoning – they are uneducated by your own definition of the word.</p>
<p>The fact that so many other people, of different religions and backgrounds, disagree with you would make most rational people question their underlying conclusions. Sadly you are trapped within your own circular reasoning and cannot see it.</p>
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<p>I’ll say that this atheist person is also not educated becuase this will fall into the same level of superstitions.</p>
<p>As I said upthread, POIH asserts that those who follow a religion (any religion) are uneducated and so his D went to Harker and to MIT (cream of the crop, we know) and had to mixed with lots and lots of “uneducated” people…poor kid. Imagine, she may have a professor at MIT who observes the Sabbath customs or keeps a kosher kitchen. Must be a dumb professor. How could MIT employ someone who is UNEDUCATED??? My oh my.</p>
<p>If you type “define:educated” on google, the results are this:
Resulting from or having had a good education. Now if someone who went to Harvard has religious beliefs, I think they still had a good education, whether or not they believe in something that seems stupid to you. They are educated. Being able to solve world problems, but happens to partake in a religion, doesn’t make them just “literate”, but also educated. These people who solve our everyday problems and help our society progress are not uneducated simply because they won’t use a microphone on shabbat.</p>
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<p>I don’t need an explanation why some one use or tend to use a particular oven. I think it’s an absurd concept and it should not be an issue.</p>
<p>Would you also say that every president who said “God Bless America” uneducated because it affected every single person who heard his speech, and some atheist parents had to explain this to their children who were watching who didn’t know what God was/didn’t believe in God?</p>
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<p>Great so we are now all on the same page. Anyone who holds a belief that is not based in empirical evidence and in any way triggers people to ask for explanations, etc. is uneducated - atheists and religious people included. Therefore, by your own logic, the fact that your atheist beliefs led you to post a thread which subsequently became a burden to the CC society as it made us ask questions about your action which was fueled by your atheists supersititions makes you uneducated. </p>
<p>Game. Set. and Match.</p>
<p>Most of the kashrut laws are actually quite humane and rational. Many of them pertain to the prevention of animal cruelty. Back in the day (no not the 1970s, I’m talking 3000 BCE) there was a pagan ritual which involved boiling a kid (baby goat) in it’s mother’s milk just after it had been born. A law of kashrut then said thou shalt not boil a kid in it’s mother’s milk. The rabbis didn’t want to misinterpret the law, and took the broader sense of it to say “thou shalt not eat dairy and meat”. Then came the idea of separating dairy and meat appliances. I am assuming that that oven had had meat in it, therefore making it unkosher. Because you don’t take the time to actually learn about it, you only hear about the surface, and don’t find out the deeper meaning. Take the time to hear all of the information and then form an opinion. If not, it would be like voting for the Democratic candidate because you’re a democrat, not because of the issues.</p>
<p>whartongrad, I must give a hats off to you once again on post 358! Brilliant.</p>
<p>While this thread has been a time sink, the silver lining is, however, that people of many faiths and cultures from around the country and elsewhere are flocking together on CC in unison on this issue and abhorrence of POIH’s attitudes. I realize POIH doesn’t get it or see it that way but it is so very clear with an overwhelming majority, and yet CC folks represent a mix of religions, cultures and races.</p>
<p>If you say the Pledge of Allegiance believing in “one nation under God”, then you’re religious and hence not educated.</p>
<p>If you don’t say the Pledge of Allegiance because you don’t believe in “one nation under God”, then you’re following superstition and you are hence not educated.</p>
<p>If you say the Pledge of Allegiance because you don’t think about the words at all, then are you educated?</p>
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