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<p>Ya know, us parents better worry that our kids may ask questions about others’ beliefs and we’re gonna have to explain 'em. :D</p>

<p>Why, we might encounter a scenario such as this…</p>

<p>My D (after reading an old thread by POIH…sorry, too lazy to find it now): "Mommy, why does this person believe that his D cannot apply to any schools that are not ranked in the top 10? Where did this silly ranking thing come from? I never heard of it! What will happen if his D has to go to a school ranked 13?? Will she die? Will she be cursed? Where did this superstition come from that there is some list and only colleges with numbers 1-10 are OK and the others must be avoided???</p>

<p>Mom: Oh, honey. This is so complicated for me to explain!!! Ya see, there is this bible, um, er, I mean something called USNews that has a list of schools that are numbered and some people feel they must follow this list and are superstitious that if they don’t get into HYPSM, they are doomed to failure. </p>

<p>D: what is HYPSM? </p>

<p>Mom: It is their holy grail…they must have it, or…well, something will befall them. </p>

<p>Mom to Dad: Ugh, why did I let my kid read CC? She had to read posts about this belief system and I had to try to explain it and this really interfered with our lives and now she won’t let up with questions? What are we to do? She has been exposed to some very uneducated people!! They have interfered with our lives! Help!! </p>

<p>Dad: Please keep her away from those uneducated people who adhere to some misguided superstitions with college admissions! We don’t want her to become uneducated!! </p>

<p>Mom: Yes, dear, this is wearing me out. She has so many questions now about rankings. Nobody in our community talks about rankings and now she found out about them from this guy on CC named POIH! I won’t be able to get the laundry done as her questions are relentless.</p>

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<p>OY VEY (please don’t ask me to explain this expression…educate yourself!):</p>

<p>I didn’t see post 381 when I wrote post 382…I was interrupted by a phone call from D (honestly). But hey, my post dovetails on the same vein with the one before it!</p>

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<p>Okay guys, enough of the bashing. You have proved your point.</p>

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<p>woeishe…many feel that the OP is bashing those who belong to religious groups and find that to be offensive.</p>

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<p>^ So stop bashing each other :D</p>

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<p>I’m amazed that this thread has moved so fast and furious. As I think about the graduation I wonder how it is different to step on a pre-programmed elevator to get to your floor than to speak as you normally would with a microphone that is already turned on in front of you. Maybe there is no difference at all. Maybe getting onto a pre- programmed elevator would not be acceptable to this young woman either. The important thing is that to the young woman it didn’t work and she felt it to be a violation of her fath. I don’t see any reason to question it further. Interestingly enough I would expect that for those who were at the ceremony the message delivered via recording rather than live speech was probably a more powerful message because of it. In years to come people may forget what she actually said and still remember the accommodations she was granted and how people with differences can find a way to common ground. What a great lession to send students out into the world with!</p>

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<p>okay, i’m literally sitting by my computer, popcorn in hand, refreshing this thread every few minutes. And I’ve been on and off it all day. i was cooking dinner earlier and started having withdrawal symptoms :D</p>

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<p>“b) This poor valedictorian is too easy to defend. I think POIH would have better luck picking on something like “The Catholic Church uses the term “Transubstantiation” to describe the change of the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ.””</p>

<p>Whatever for, though? It’s of no consequence or concern to non-Catholics if Ca tholics believe that. Catholics aren’t demanding that non-Catholics do, say, or think anything about this.</p>

<p>“c) I think that society imposes very severe limits on normal religious practice, for example prohibiting polygamy even for moslems.”</p>

<p>I think you mean Mormons.</p>

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<p>definition:

Sadly, POIH has demonstrated a lack of culture with his lack of social graces and sensitivity-- ergo-- UNEDUCATED</p>

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<p>@pizzagirl</p>

<p>True…but I think if a Muslim with more than one wife wanted to move to the US that would pose some odd problems…wouldn’t it? Especially for issuing visas for these extra wives.</p>

<p>Soozie…very funny…and true!! LOL</p>

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<p>jym, I get a sense that POIH interprets “educated” to mean…</p>

<p>1) Going to HYPSM (preferably MIT!)
2) adhering to NO religion
3) any beliefs must be backed up with proof and facts
4) consider all religious beliefs to be superstitions
5) liberal
6) never carry a rabbit’s foot :)</p>

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<p>The whole time I have been reading this thread, I have a song stuck in my head. Oy vey. Thanks, POIH! :D</p>

<p>Superstition by Stevie Wonder:</p>

<p>Very superstitious, writing’s on the wall,
Very superstitious, ladders bout’ to fall,
Thirteen month old baby, broke the lookin’ glass
Seven years of bad luck, the good things in your past.</p>

<p>oo When you believe in things that you don’t understand,
Then you suffer,
Superstition ain’t the way…</p>

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<p>Come on, guys. Adrenaline is a funny thing. My suggestion: step away from the computer and cool off. Humor’s great. Humor at someone else’s expense, not so much.</p>

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<p>No need for any further debate. The OP’s argument has been thoroughly CRUSHED. </p>

<p>This has definitely been an enjoyable thread…it’s always fun to just outright DESTROY someone in a debate and make them look like an utter and complete idiot…especially when you can make someone call themselves uneducated. Maybe that’s just the “Wharton” competitive nature that has been engrained in me but man does it feel good. It’s like a drug…and I need some more of it.</p>

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<p>I just had an epiphany! the OP is a Vulcan! intelligent but “handicapped” in the eyes of humans, by a rigid adherence to logic and reasoning ! right? right? </p>

<p>… well, on second thought, maybe not…
Sorry Spock, didn’t meant to insult you…You did [ eventually] learn from Captain Kirk.
Back to our regular programing…</p>

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<p>No, I meant Moslems, although Mormons too.</p>

<p>US law does not recognize polygamous marriages even those legally contracted overseas, and so immigration visas are not issued to more than one spouse.</p>

<p>And Wharton, no you didn’t really crush anybody.</p>

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<p>He crushed his ego. What a waste of Wharton education he can’t even understand and comprehend logic? </p>

<p>He doesn’t even realize that he lost the argument when he conceded to the flawed argument.

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<p>He only proved himself to be uneducated when he said this about MIT</p>

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<p>One advantage of having a person like POIH posting here is that he doesn’t filter his thoughts when he writes. I am quite sure there are a LOT of people in this world who think just like him but know better than to verbalize these thoughts out in real life or on a message board. Reading his posts gives us a window into the minds of many people. </p>

<p>I’ll admit it- when I first learned about the practices of Orthodox Jews (a long time ago), I probably thought those were some crazy practices. I mean come on, to the uninitiated it does seem a bit extreme to not answer the phone after sundown, or have two dishwashers in your kitchen, or give up your chance to stand in front of your class and personally deliver your valedictory address. And it isn’t just the Jews, there are plenty of other practices of other groups- religious and non-religious, that make you roll your eyes. For instance the orthodox Jains of India are non-violent in the extreme, which means they’d rather risk malaria than swat a mosquito that’s landed on their face. </p>

<p>In a tolerant society we all try to (and should) accommodate quirky but harmless practices of others, but it doesn’t hurt to occasionally have someone like POIH come along and say what a lot of people are probably thinking. It is a little like the story of the Emperor who had no clothes. Yeah, we can pretend everything is just fine, but someone is going to come along and point out the obvious- people do crazy stuff.</p>

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<p>How far does your idea of “superstition” go? I noticed one post that you haven’t responded to talking about how people wear clothes, get haricuts, etc. Are they “superstition?” When the weather is warm enough that you won’t get frostbite, why should we wear anything? It’s just a delusional superstition that society considers “acceptable,” right? In your words:</p>

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<p>Acuraman93: I don’t interfere with individual life choices, superstitions or anything else as long as they keep it to themselves. </p>

<p>But when some one provide it as reason to bend rules then it becomes a superstition.</p>

<p>e.g.</p>

<p>If some one come to your place and refuse to eat because either your oven is not kosher or your meat is not Halal/kosher or just because you eat meat or for any reason that has nothing to do with health or food then I consider that a superstition.</p>