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<p>I started the thread to point out how is this making a mockery of the education system. I’ve no intent of insulting anyone’s religion. Everyone is entitle to their beliefs.</p>
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<p>She forced the school to tape her speech and play on the graduation with her sitting their well capable of delivering the speech.
It’s making a mockery of the education system.</p>
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<p>Not believing in superstitions doesn’t mean I don’t have exposure to different religions. I just don’t think educated people should support superstitions if they do then they are not educated.</p>
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<p>I’m not sure how I offended people. I’m just expressing that if education can’t bring people out of superstitions then is this education any worth?</p>
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<p>It does affect others as school have to bent rules to accomodate by taping her speech and playing at the graduation with her present in the ceremony. </p>
<p>Where will you draw the line?</p>
<p>He of course knew that the oven produced the cookies but he could not eat them because the oven was not a kosher oven. Look up the Jewish laws regarding this and you will understand why he could not eat the cookies. Perhaps he was baking because he found baking relaxing. He may have made them for his non Kosher friends.</p>
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<p>Can you possibly understand that these religious laws she was following (even if you don’t agree with them and nobody is asking you to!!!) are not superstitions? The idea is to put all these things aside for the day of observance. It is not like if she drives a car some bad thing will occur to her (like breaking a mirror is a superstition, for example). It is a custom and law in her religion to forsake these things during Sabbath and holidays (not every day of her life). </p>
<p>How is this a mockery of the educational system? The school, in fact, acted correctly in not forcing a student to go against her religious beliefs and found a solution that worked well. </p>
<p>How are those who follow a certain religion or are Orthodox “uneducated?” One’s religion has nothing to do with education. You can be highly educated but adhere to the belief system of your religion. You are coming across as uneducated to not comprehend that her belief system is religious in nature and not anything to do with liberal thought. Your thought doesn’t sound liberal in the sense that it is unable to tolerate others’ beliefs.</p>
<p>On the one hand, you say everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but on the other hand, you seem to be saying that this girl should have been forced to go against the laws of her religion on her religious holiday and thus, not be entitled to observe her religious customs.</p>
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<p>You insulted anyone who considers themselves orthodox in their beliefs by saying they are uneducated. You will never win this argument. I don’t know of anyone who believes that orthodox = superstitious = uneducated.</p>
<p>For the record, orthodox religions and superstitions have no correlation whatsoever.</p>
<p>You insist on referring to religion as superstition…WHY?</p>
<p>cross posted with the two above posters</p>
<p>Actually teriwitt, POIH insulted everyone who believes and practices any religion. Based on what POIH said every religion would be nothing more than “superstition”.</p>
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<p>If it is not a superstition then what a superstition is?</p>
<p>Let me end the thread by giving the most accepted definition of superstition.</p>
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<p>So, POIH, what do you suggest? Should a student be forced to go against their religious laws and customs? </p>
<p>Should a student whose religion forbids eating of pork be forced to eat pork at school? Should a student whose religion requires a head covering by women be forced to take it off at school? Should a student who doesn’t observe Christmas (a religious holiday) have to write a letter to Santa at school (like my kids’ had in their class but refused to do)? Should a kid whose religion doesn’t observe birthdays have to partake in such a celebration? Should a student’s religion that doesn’t allow the use of vehicles on a religious holiday be forced to ride the bus?</p>
<p>I am stunned by the OP.
After reading all 4 pages here, I’m left wondering what is in the water in CA.</p>
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<p>soozievt: Would you let a muslim lady drive a car with a driving license picture of Burka?</p>
<p>Would you let all Jews take Friday as a Holiday instead of Sunday?</p>
<p>If everyone start forcing schools/colleges bending rules to accomodate superstitions then where will you draw the line?</p>
<p>Do charities when distributing food should keep track of kosher, pork, beef, vegetarian, or vegan?</p>
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<p>One can only speculate what you are implying here, because your sentence really doesn’t make any sense. If you are implying that it’s not safe for a Muslim woman to drive with a burqa on, well don’t worry, because I don’t think orthodox Muslim women are allowed to drive.</p>
<p>But I suppose you’d start a whole 'nother thread about that and how it’s a sign of an uneducated superstitious person.</p>
<p>I cross posted with you, POIH. </p>
<p>A religious custom or law doesn’t have to be based on knowledge. It is religion! A belief system! </p>
<p>Superstition is an irrational belief usually founded on ignorance or fear and characterized by obsessive reverence for omens, charms, etc. That is not the case here with the Orthodox Jewish laws. These come from the Torah (bible) and have nothing to do with fear of something happening to the person if they do x or y. It is not like breaking a mirror and something bad with befall you. Not driving a car or using modern electric appliances on the Sabbath or a religious holiday has to do with putting these things aside, along with work, and resting and being with family and observing the rituals of the day. It is not like a superstition with a fear of something happening to them if they don’t do this. If it were a superstition, then they would be following this law 365 days per year but they don’t. It is a law about how to treat the Sabbath and holiday differently than a regular day and to put aside everything like work and machinery on those days in order to observe and do other religious activities.</p>
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Apparently wikipedia has become the source of the “most accepted definition”. Words fail me.</p>
<p>On the bright side, I have never before seen a thread serve as such a unifying force on CC. Every poster here, regardless of age, religion, school affiliation or past scuffles, has come together in support of each other to challenge the most outrageous, dumb insultingly ignorant thread in the recent history of cc. Bravo POIH. You have outdone yourself.</p>
<p>When POIH dies, he going to find himself up close and personal with someOne that he thinks is a superstition.</p>
<p>POIH…belief in God is not irrational…it is a very rational belief.</p>
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<p>There was a case in Florida where a muslim women tried to take a driving license with a picture with full burka on. The case went to high court and denied.
Would you like all muslim women driving cars with license that don’t show faces?</p>
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<p>Everyone going to die some day but at least I know what will happen to me afterward and won’t be under superstitions of heaven or hell.</p>
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<p>What about ‘education systems’ i.e. colleges who have kosher kitchens in their cafeterias. Surely they must be ‘succumbing’ to students superstitions? </p>
<p>Geez.</p>