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<p>All religions have BELIEFS. </p>
<p>Beliefs are not synonymous with superstitions. </p>
<p>Religious beliefs do not have to be based on reason or logic. Beliefs do not have to be based on proof. Beliefs are convictions.</p>
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<p>You know FULL well that schools (and many businesses) are closed on Dec. 25 due to the Christian holiday of Christmas which is observed by many. How do you feel about this REAL reason school is closed on that day? Do you disagree with it? Is it superstitious?</p>
<p>POIH: When your D was in middle school, was she ever invited to a Bar or Bat Mitzvah? did you let her attend? Or if never invited, would you have let her attend? It is a ritual for Jewish kids coming of age…would it be superstitious or unacceptable for your D to attend the child’s celebration? </p>
<p>Was your D permitted by you to sing XMas songs at school even though she doesn’t observe that holiday and it is all superstitions?</p>
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<p>OK, so you found an article that is nine years old. But it never says anywhere that she was going to drive wearing a burqa; it says she wears a niqab, which does not cover the eyes like a burqa. If she indeed planned to drive with that driver’s license, then she had to have passed a driving test. If they deemed her safe to drive with a niqab on in order to pass the test, then who am I to judge?</p>
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<p>Um…it’s Saturday. And we don’t need anyone to “let” us take it as a “holiday”. Your lack of education on this subject is showing.</p>
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<p>We do participate in our friends/relatives religious functions and DD never had problem participating in anything she wanted to. We like winter holidays and celebrate as such but we don’t have problem with people celebrating “Ancient pagan festival of Saturnalia.”</p>
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<p>Does it matter if it’s Friday/Saturday? Point is would you start having separate banking holidays for different people, because if you listen to one beliefs how can you refuse someone else beliefs. </p>
<p>Would you let a Mormon/Muslim practice Polygamy just because it’s in their religious beliefs?</p>
<p>Would you disallow existence of homosexuals just because most orthodox people consider sinful and their religion ask for executions?</p>
<p>Draw a line before you come to defend succumbing to superstitions.</p>
<p>The point of the thread was before people twisted it to indicate what’s the benefit of educating a child if the child doesn’t come out of superstition and can’t make a decision between what’s right and what’s wrong.</p>
<p>On CC people have problem with DW asking DD call back every day who is 5000 miles to let her know about her well being because it was said to be intruding but come to support a girl who forced school to tape her speech and relay it with her fully capable of delivering at the function.</p>
<p>Grow up people on CC as it’s 21st century… Take a cause that will take our nation towards the 21st century and not into 18th century…</p>
<p>What ‘rules’ exactly did she bend as you claim she did? You make it sound like she put the school through some extreme crisis…having someone volunteer a few minutes out of a day to videotape a speech isn’t what I would consider ‘making a mockery of the educational system’ or however you put it. They could have asked another student to speak, but they wanted her to, so they came up with a solution.</p>
<p>Hey POS (I mean POIH): </p>
<p>First of all, Let’s clarify the definition of a superstition. Without using Wikipedia (very educated of you to use that by the way), Merriam Webster defines it as: 1) a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation; 2) a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary. Therefore, your assertion that religious beliefs / practices are superstitions is false as a). they are not based out of ignorance, fear of the unknown, magic/chance, or a false conception of causation - they are based on historical tradition, codes of morality, values, & ethics, etc.; b). there is no empirical evidence to the contrary that these beliefs are not factual (it cannot be proven either way). </p>
<p>Secondly, she is constitutionally entitled to freely practice her religion. Her actions in no way negatively affected her classmates or school administrators, etc. Despite the fact that you believe that her need to observe a holy day is superstitution, she is entitled to do so - just like you are entitled to come on here and speak freely about your beliefs. You live in a country that was founded on the notion of religious freedom and tolerance so if you don’t like it then get the **** out. </p>
<p>Additionally, before you go around calling people ignorant and uneducated it would behove you to review your replies before posting. All of your posts are filled with spelling & grammatical errors and are also just incomprehensible (just re-read the title of this thread…). Every post I’ve read of yours makes you look like an uneducated hick.</p>
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<p>It seems you need to take a lesson from your words and if you can’t listen to a criticism then you might need to **** out.</p>
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<p>If these are not factual then these are superstitions.</p>
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<p>What I might lack is expressing in a language which is not my first language.
But what you seem to lack is wisdom or any sign of an education. That’s what the problem is “Not every literate person is educated”. Going to Harvard or Wharton won’t make a person educated as it can only make you literate if your beliefs overtake rational education.</p>
<p>Please grow up if you can’t come out of your superstitions then your education is a waste.</p>
<p>@POIH: Your comments were not a criticism but rather a veiled attempt to attack anyone that has religious beliefs. I am not attacking your beliefs, it is your right to freely believe what you want because you live in this country, however, if you find it so untolerable that people can have these rights then you should go elsewhere. </p>
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<p>I think you need to work on your reading comprehension. As I stated one definition of a superstition is “maintaining a notion despite evidence to the contrary.” There is NO evidence to the contrary therefore maintaining religious beliefs cannot be a superstitution. Do you have factual evidence to the contrary?</p>
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<p>Just go over what you are writing and see how mad you are that you are constantly resorting to telling me to get out. </p>
<p>If you have problem with people who question superstitions then you need to get out live where you beliefs will not encounter any criticism.</p>
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<p>First go over your posts and see how many grammatical/spelling mistakes you have made in few of your posts and you don’t have a valid reason but you must be having your beliefs and don’t need a reason.</p>
<p>Similarly you don’t need a reason to believe in your superstitions.</p>
<p>It’s time to let the people on CC move towards 18th century with leaders like whartongrad08… time to go…</p>
<p>I would like to say that I FULLY agree with ParentOfIvyHope, who is the only person in this thread who is making any sense whatsoever. I truly applaud your posts.</p>
<p>This girl may be receiving an education, but obviously she is not educated. She refuses to deliver her speech because of some uneducated, and irrational superstitions with no basis whatsoever, and I am stunned that the school actually chose to accommodate her. </p>
<p>To everyone one else: I think this argument is SO stale- That any criticism of any idea is unacceptable because we must be broad and open minded. The problem of this girl is that she is downright mentally ill, and I would not trust her to be my lawyer, senator, or surgeon if she does not have a firm grasp of logic, reason, cause and effect. The fact that her voodoo is masquerading as a religion does not give it any more credibility.</p>
<p>I am mad and offended, not because you are criticizing the notion that people have religions beliefs, but because it is so hard to believe that a person could be so intolerable. </p>
<p>So let me ask you a question then…given that you mentioned that english is not your first language (as it is not mine either - it was actually the 5th language I learned), what race or ethnicity are you? Even if you don’t want to answer, let’s assume that you are Asian (or whatever you prefer), do you find it offensive when people treat you differently or look down on your and believe that you are uneducated because you have an accent, look a certain way, etc.? Does it make you mad when people attack you for being the way you are? You are doing the exact same thing to people with your comments. You can believe whatever you want and that’s fine…just be tolerant.</p>
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<p>With all due respect, that is a truly absurd example. One cannot change the way they look, or their ethnicity. However, when it comes to making solid, rational, logical choices- the ball is in your court. Educated people should not succumb to unfounded, baseless superstitions.</p>
<p>And PLEASE: do not act “offended” at other people’s opinions. THAT is the face of true intolerance.</p>
<p>So…POIH, what are you trying to prove? That you’re an a hole?</p>
<p>Honestly I have no idea why you care so much about this. So a girl decided not to give a speech. Who cares. It literally doesn’t affect you in any way (your reaction does, but that’s slightly different).</p>
<p>Get over it. A girl didn’t give a speech. So? Instead of making atheists and yourself look like ignorant jerks, why don’t you take a step back and pop a chill pill. </p>
<p>This. Doesn’t. Matter.</p>
<p>I don’t really care whether a person spreads religion or atheism in the world… As long as they don’t spread hate, I’m fine with them. And you’re spreading hate.</p>
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<p>Like I said I am not offended by other people’s opinions (you and the OP can believe what you want about the merits of religion, faith, etc. and I respect that), but rather, I was offended by the OP’s intolerance and lack of respect for people of other beliefs.</p>
<p>The most positive spin on POIH’s point I can glean is that he means there should be a limit to accommodating religion because it would be inconvenient if there were tons of different religions and everyone got their own holidays.</p>
<p>Religion is just superstition is pretty much the stupidest, most offensive, most antagonizing, and least effective way of arguing the point though.</p>
<p>I couldn’t agree more with you ThisCouldBeHeavn…on both the potential positive spin of POIH’s message and his delivery / execution.</p>