What's your opinion about this drinking issue?

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It’s not a matter of whether the kid’s tustworthy or not (at least in my case) but a matter of whether they really ‘need’ a car or not. In some cases depending on where they’re attending and what they’re doing it’s clear that they need one and in some cases it’s clear that they don’t need one. In many other cases though, it’s not so clear and it’s not really known whether one is needed or not. There are many cases where a student takes a car to college and it spends most of its time just sitting in a lot exposed to the elements and vandalism and incurring parking fees which at some colleges are expensive and incurring the other expenses involved with a car whether it’s used or not (insurance, payments, depreciation).</p>

<p>After the first year the student will have a better idea if a car is really needed or not and a decision can be made as to whether it’s worth it. After the first year the student may know if they have a local internship/job they need to drive to, they might move off-campus and need it to get back and forth and to the grocery, etc. This is why I think a lot of parents suggest waiting a year before deciding unless it’s ‘clear’ it’s needed or not - not whether the kid is trustworthy or not.</p>

<p>This topic would probably warrant its own thread if you’re interested in more opinions since it’s kind of a tangent to this thread.</p>

<p>At the school’s open house, we asked about the need for a car. Definitely, by junior year, was the answer as most kids in the civil engineering/construction management major do local internships.</p>

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<p>I do agree and I think this may be the approach we are going to take. Might only make it one semester instead of the full year but I think the ‘wait and see’ approach is a good strategy. We are so close to the college that getting his car to him, if he needed it, would be very easy.</p>

<p>When kids move off campus, and have to get to classes from farther away/go grocery shopping/etc, it is not unreasonable to let them use a car if you can afford it. Kids living on campus do not usually need a car.</p>

<p>“I’d rather save the money and then give them nice new cars upon graduating, personally.”</p>

<p>For most of us it’s not a choice. Few of us can afford to give the kids a car before or after graduation.</p>

<p>I’d like to get back to the original question, “What is my opinion about this drinking issue?” For myself I didn’t really appreciate the enormity of the issue of drinking and driving until I met someone who had been the drunk driver in an accident that resulted in multiple fatalities. Of all the ramifications, including prison time and the unlikelihood of ever being hired for a good job, the worst part for this person is having to live with the knowledge that he was the cause of this terrible accident. He was quite young when it happened too.</p>

<p>I’d like to reiterate mimk6’s suggestion from post #70 that you find some avenue for your son to hear a first hand account from someone who was involved in a drunk driving accident.</p>

<p>This recent study is a pretty scary one in the context of this thread. </p>

<p>[1</a> in 5 College Students Admitted to Drunk Driving, Study Found - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/childrens-health/articles/2010/06/02/1-in-5-college-students-admitted-to-drunk-driving-study-found.html]1”>http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/childrens-health/articles/2010/06/02/1-in-5-college-students-admitted-to-drunk-driving-study-found.html)</p>

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<p>Another article that caught my eye:</p>

<p>[Driving</a> Your Children to Drink - Motherlode Blog - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/01/driving-your-children-to-drink/]Driving”>Driving Your Children to Drink - The New York Times)</p>

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<p>I don’t get that. I did have my own car when I turned 16 (it was a hand-me-down, but nonetheless, it was definitely my own car, for my own use) and I drove it to and from school, to my afterschool job, extracurriculars, etc. But when I went away to college, I simply didn’t need it, so why would I have brought it? To me, it’s whether it’s needed. I think part of the college experience is precisely that you’re on campus with your friends, you take public transportation to the city for fun, etc. To be honest, I’m not even crazy about the idea of moving off campus unless it’s a place in which off campus means one block over. I would see no reason not to stay on campus all 4 years assuming housing options permitted. I reserve the right to change my mind, of course, but it would have to be a situation in which I felt my student NEEDED a car. Not just wanted one.</p>

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<p>I understand, but frankly I’m not the sort that is really crazy about the idea of my kids driving clunkers just because they are cheap. I want them in a decent car of the quality I’d buy for myself, or not at all. (I don’t mean status - I mean quality.)</p>

<p>I suppose this is why my parents make a tight distinction that the car I drive is their car, even though they never have and never will drive it and it was purchased for the sole purpose of me having something to drive when I need it (work, commuted to school 2 years, etc). There is no question that it doesn’t get to come to school with me, and I have no leg to stand on in arguing about what time they want the car back on their curb. It is not my car. It is my dad’s car that he lets me borrow at his discretion. If it were REALLY my car, it would be ridiculous if my dad didn’t let me bring it to school with me so long as I was willing to pay all its expenses-- but he bought the car, he pays the insurance, and that makes it his car even if I have been driving it since I was 15.</p>

<p>Pea, I can’t imagine how anyone can live their life knowing they were responsible for someone else losing theirs. I always remind my kids that one mistake like driving drunk could change their entire life. I just hope they never do it. </p>

<p>A few weeks after I graduated from college I was in a car accident caused by a drunk driver. I was lucky, I only ended up in the hospital for a week. The driver was never charged with drunk driving. People saw him dumping beers out of his car, but the police just charged him with wreckless driving. That was a long time ago. I hope he wouldn’t get away with it now, but when you read about people with multiple DUIs causing fatal accidents, law enforcement is obviously still too lenient. If my kid got a DUI he would be paying for any financial responsibilities and he would not be driving my car.</p>

<p>If you suspect your son is drinking and driving, you have to do whatever is in your power to prevent it. The tricky part is that there isn’t a lot you can do to stop it. Since you are the only person in this thread who knows your son’s level of maturity and his willingness to be open to your suggestions/thoughts/fears/threats, only you can really know how he will react or if he will benefit from any form of assistance. The important thing to remember is that drinking under the influence effects more than material things or even your own loved one. Other people’s lives could be changed due to the actions of your son if he really is drinking.</p>

<p>Driving under the influence does have serious consequences. However, even when shown statistics and true life tragedies involving dead drunk drivers, it has been my observation that mostly people who already wouldn’t drink and drive get the message. The people who need to hear this message the most typically do not get it and are still under the impression that nothing bad can or will happen to THEM.</p>

<p>I think the best way to reach those people are who are unaffected by stories of drunk drivers who hurt or kill themselves is to instead show them stories of the innocent who have been hurt BY drunk drivers.</p>

<p>I am not trying to hijack this thread with my own experiences but I do have a story to tell. I’ve probably told it before but I’m too lazy to look up past threads. My story won’t have the same punch as it would if you knew first hand, of course, but it’s still a story worth telling in any case.</p>

<p>When my brother was 18 he was driving home from work on a secluded 4 lane street with a speed limit of 40mph. He was in the left lane and a car was driving right next to him to his right, keeping pace with him. Suddenly, a light pick-up who was in its left lane rounded a turn going too fast and he wasn’t showing signs of slowing. Witnesses of the accident say that the truck just drifted over the double yellow line into my brother’s lane. My B tried to swerve to avoid the collision but he could not because of the car that was next to him. He would have been pinned but the car to my brother’s right barely escaped, but was untouched. My brother, however, wasn’t so lucky. Because my brother tried to brake instead of ramming into the car to his right, he was hit head-on and had to be airlifted to a hospital. Thankfully, he was hit outside an oil refinery so refinery paramedics arrived very shortly. But he went 7 minutes without oxygen to his brain. He had massive internal bleeding, ruptures and tears of his small and large intestines, a punctured lung, and extreme brain trauma. He is susceptible to pneumonia (which has a higher likelihood of killing him) and manages to catch bronchitis a few times a year. He is still unable to talk and walk as the parts of his brain controlling motor function has been injured so badly. He also suffers from epilepsy now, he has at least one Grand Mal seizure every week or two, depending on certain factors. He is 28 in 4 days and while my brother has made improvements, he has regained little motor function.</p>

<p>Now to the meat and potatoes of the story. The driver of the truck who hit my brother, who I will call J, walked away from the crash with injuries, while not “minor,” are in nowhere near the same league as what happened to my brother. J had a concussion, a few broken ribs, and a bruised heart. He is lucky his heart was not punctured by a rib. The truck he was driving was owned by the company he worked for. How could someone just drift over the line without noticing? Especially going so fast? Well, he was spotted in a bar earlier that day (while on the clock at that) by two witnesses, and he had 7 open beer cans in said company vehicle. He is a known crystal-meth user/addict and the drug dealer of choice for the town in which he still lives in. After the crash, my family was told that his blood-alcohol level was inconclusive. I have no idea how this is possible. Then, after a couple of days, my family was told that J admitted to being under the influence of drugs but would not admit to drinking alcohol prior to the accident. He was not arrested. When my mother called to complain that J was not arrested, the police told my mother that J was not arrested because the paperwork (indicating that J had used drugs) was lost or never filed and by then it was too late to retest him. So after J recovered from his injuries, he lost his DL for a very brief time for reckless driving but he still goes on with his life. I do not know how J feels about what he did but he never apologized.</p>

<p>Again, I am not trying to hijack the thread or turn this into a woe-is-me, tragedy of the day type of post. I just feel that there is a chance that telling these stories can help and if I have the chance to make a supposed drunk driver stop and reflect, even briefly, then it’s worth it. I’m also not trying to talk down to you as if you aren’t familiar with the consequences of drinking and driving. My story is the only thing I can offer you because I don’t know your son well enough to judge. But I don’t think he should be driving due to his record, even if he isn’t drinking. I’m sorry for writing a book on your thread but I feel that in this situation, more detail is better in order to establish an understanding.</p>

<p>I wish you and your son the best.</p>

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<p>I actually agree completely. That said, there is nothing inherently wrong with buying a car for you kid or giving them a family car either. Older cars don’t have the same safety features that newer, more expensive ones do, and arguably teens are the people that need these features the most.</p>

<p>Zep, thank-you for sharing your story.</p>

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<p>Yes, DUI’s are terrible. I never said otherwise; I merely said there were no serious accidents in that timeframe (there weren’t).</p>

<p>Zep-what a remarkably sad and terrible story. I think we can all agree that drunk driving is never acceptable, and unfortunately it seems as if the drunk driver manages to get away relatively unscathed all too often while his or her victims face much more serious consequences. I wish you and your family the best; what an awful thing for you all to have to deal with.</p>

<p>I did mean “reckless” not “wreckless” in my above post. It seems I can spell everywhere except when I post on CC.</p>