When "Comedy" is Not

But Ivanka is a politician.

If enough of the viewing audience is offended by that type of language, she wouldn’t have a political position.

If TV and entertainment didn’t broadcast offensive and vulgar comments, we wouldn’t have the reports of what some prominent politicians are saying and tweeting. It’s probably hard for them to find the line on what is too sexist and vulgar since it keeps shifting. Racist tropes tend to be easier to identify, I think.

I don’t see the equivalencies as false. I am glad Roseanne was cancelled. I’m glad Kathy Griffiths career is in the basement. I’d like all entertainers to speak civilly. And I do think sexism is as bad as racism. Using the n word is as bad as the c word.

That word is one of my very least favorites but it is definitely not new to cable tv.

As an aside, it’s also interesting to me how freely that word is used in the UK. It’s very jarring to my ears but widely used over there.

“I’d like all entertainers to speak civilly.”

The pragmatist in me thinks the horse left that barn a long, long time ago. What I find more appalling is that we no longer expect politicians to speak civilly. Now, that is alarming to me.

Keep the topic off politicians please. We are talking about entertainers.

Never heard of her.

I don’t want the thread closed.

I personally would like to be able to talk about anything on CC. But I don’t make the rules.

Again, we are talking about both politicians and entertainers if we are including Ivanka Trump. You can’t have it both ways.

If we are going to talk about vulgar and sexist language on tv, and how it’s not dealt with harshly enough, then it should include anyone using vulgar sexist language on tv. That includes more than just entertainers. Where is the line drawn? That harsh and ugly word that was used? Or any vulgar and harsh language used? Can reporters repeat the words used by others, or does that also cross the line?

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Nor do I, but I will enforce them. I’ve already deleted 2 posts that violate the rules, and the thread has only been open less than an hour.

To be clear, one can talk about politicians. One can talk about the children of politicians. One cannot discuss policy.

Regardless, the thread is about a comic who made a statement.

Ivanka is a politician. She works for the government. Thanks, @doschicos after I posted, I realized she may not be taking a salary. My error. However, as noted, she is getting patents from the Chinese government and running her business while in office.

I’m a fan of South Park and shows like it. I’m also a fan of rap music. So, vulgarity doesn’t bother me that much. Racism does bother me. We all have different “meters” when it comes to humor, music, politics, etc.

If folks are bothered by Bee’s comments, then the show’s audience will dwindle and she’ll be removed from the airwaves.

“Regardless, the thread is about a comic who made a statement.”

About a politician. :slight_smile:

@mom2twogirls says
“But Ivanka is a politician”

I feel like if a comedian called Hillary that word the same people defending it would be outraged. She’s also a politician so apparently fair game.

I’m outraged at Roseanne but can also be outraged at Samantha Bee. I guess that’s because I feel all people should be treated respectfully.

Well, people did call Hillary that and worse.

And people were outraged! As they should have been.

Bill Maher called Sarah Palin the c word and I think he’s still on the air. So women, I guess being called the c word is a-ok and we shouldn’t be outraged.

In fact, South Park had an episode named “The Snuke” which was about Hillary Clinton and vulgar language was used. “The Snuke” is the fourth episode of the 11th season. Great episode with a Kiefer Sutherland “24” flavor to it.

I don’t think women should be called the c- word, but sexism is NOT equivalent to racism. I have to deal with both.

As a male, I’ve been called the “D” word. :))

@bhs1978 I wasn’t saying that politicians are fair game.

I am saying the real double standard is expecting political commentators (which is really what a comedian like Samantha Bee is) being held to a higher standard than politicians. As an example, a couple of years ago an infamous Access Hollywood tape was leaked and an entertainer was fired for laughing at vulgar, offense and sexist comments that the other person was elected for. And that person’s election is what got Ivanka the political position she has. So when the OP keeps saying not to bring politics into it, that really just makes this thread come across as a way to criticize politics the OP disagrees with while protecting their own.

You could probably find clips online of news commentators on a certain network calling female politicians awful things. That network would be viewed regularly by those criticizing the Samantha Bee issue.

If Samantha Bee is fired for it, fine. But then I will expect networks to be equally harsh on anyone else publicly saying those things.

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Please correctly assume that further discussion/description of Ivanka’s role, aside from being debate, is beyond the scope of this thread.