Where do kids like mine go? Smart but no hooks [ME resident, 4.0 GPA, 1570 SAT, <$50k]

I’ve been pinged (twice!), so I’ll offer some thoughts about linguistics and anthropology. But first, I want to pull out a line from the original post in this thread to highlight an important truth:

Nothing crazy??!

Please, @Skoten, please know this one thing above all other things: College Confidential is not reflective of any sort of normal reality anywhere. Your description of your child’s stats and activities, even such a brief list, is absolutely amazing. Don’t let all the humblebrags (and sometimes just brags) on CC lead you to think that what’s presented as ordinary here on CC is anything even close to normal.

Now, funneling a bit wider, another item:

Your daughter would experience this at any state flagship (or near-flagship) that is not effectively open admissions, and would experience it at several of those, too. If you have a large enough population of people (as is the case at most state flagships), there will be people there who are “smarter” than your daughter.

Notice the scare-quotes, though, because defining who’s smarter than who is difficult. I’m a professor of linguistics in an English department, and some of our English majors have legitimate trouble with basic algebra—but can write circles around even some professionals. On the other hand, we have engineering majors who can’t write a coherent paragraph to save their lives—but their skills at mathematical modeling and analysis are off the charts. So who’s smarter than who? Because any degree of thought will lead you to realize that it’s a silly thing to try to measure.

So. Your daughter’s interested in linguistics (and anthropology, and maybe even literature), so I have more to say about possibilities for her than for your son. (Though I will point out that linguistics majors average among the very highest LSAT scores, so we do have that going for us.)

With that set of interests, it’s probably worth looking more at programs in anthropology and (secondarily) English. However, you do need to be careful with both of them: For anthropology, you’ll want to look at faculty research interests and make sure that there’s at least (and preferably more than) one member of the faculty—and a full member of the faculty, not an adjunct faculty member—who works in anthropological linguistics or linguistic anthropology (it’s possible to force a distinction between those, but for an undergrad it doesn’t matter) or language and culture (which just means linguistic anthropology). For English, you’ll want to make sure that there’s a linguistics major offered by the department, or a clearly-defined linguistics track within the English major.

This is because (1) linguistic anthropology is one of the four core subfields of North American anthropology, but it’s also the smallest and the least widely taught, and (2) while gaining a basic understanding of things like the historical development of the language is covered in many if not most English majors, the ability to actually focus on the language as the language is much less usual.

This means that the filters for these interests are going to be fairly intensive, and not automatable. You can, however, take the advice everybody else here has been giving you about what colleges to consider—and I will add that most state flagships and near-flagships do tend to be really good options for these interests—and then, once you have a mediumlist or at least a manageable longlist, you and your daughter can look at curricula and faculty research interests in their individual anthropology and English departments to see what appeals to you.

And, sometimes, their linguistics departments, but there are vanishingly few if any linguistics departments in North America with majors that let you do anything literature-related, and only a handful—Arizona, Texas Austin, a couple of the UCs, NC State, maybe Washington, and I’m sure I’m missing a couple—make a language and culture focus available for undergrads. (Lots of good programs in sociolinguistics out there, but that’s subtly but materially different.)

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I don’t think I’d limit to schools offering computational linguistics as an undergrad major. It’ll be an interdisciplinary program at many of those schools and can be duplicated at other schools with CS, linguistics, math. If Natural Language processing ends up more the area of interest she might decide CS is the major with a lot of linguistics coursework thrown in.

Linear Algebra prior to grade 12 is fairly advanced. This is worth considering not only for admissions reasons (she is not average in this area), but also whether her interest in math is likely to lead to an interest in majors she doesn’t know much about at this point.

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:slight_smile: - I laugh too

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Thanks for your very informative reply (and hitting on the fact that OP’s D is more on the astounding side than the hum-drum side in terms of what’s been shared).

I suspect that you may have been crafting your response when the OP responded about her D’s linguistic interests.

Any additional advice you’d give based on this updated information?

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I’d visit before considering Trinity, the area around the campus is pretty rough.

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Curious where you see their yield in RD? I know they sometimes give some sort of indication on social media how many RD acceptances there are but I’m suspect of anything that’s not on the CDS and from that standpoint they accepted 3,402 out of 30,657 for a combined EA/RD 11% acceptance rate.

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She is actually outdoorsy. Earlier this year, she and her friend did some through hiking in the Appalachians. And she also likes art museums. Her objection was more-“they think their best and brightest should spend their time licking fake ice cream from plastic spoons once a week.” Which…okay. Maybe that gives insight into her personality-she sees that as forced fun. Not going to be a great networker.

She might like utah.

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So my daughter sees a doctor every day-me. I don’t think it’s a therapy thing-more a personality thing.
And by the way-your daughter’s school is not beneath my daughter. No school is beneath anyone. It’s a question of-who is she around every day?

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Thanks. That’s very good to know. She gave me an update on her preferences, which are mainly computational linguistics and also historical.

I think she’s brilliant. Far ahead of me at her age. I used to get Cs and read trashy romances in class back then, except for in my chem classes-but there are so many kids around who have done twice as much as she has and twenty times what I had.

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There are kids who say they have. But have they ?

Most I come across have their oculus headsets on.

Saying they’ve done research at an Ivy and having done - two separate things. I’m guessing much of what we read isn’t the norm and is embellished. These are just kids.

I hope your kid is a kid. The way these kids say they’ve done things - doesn’t seem like they are kids.

Yours writes - she’s authentic and pure. If she likes to hike and if she can handle heat some of the year - of the list I provided up top - U of Arizona might work. Strong in science, writing opportunities and while you’ll need a ride, lots of hiking in all four directions.

They draw nationally but reduced merit due to budget issues so may become less geographically diverse. Lots of kids not ready for college - it’s their mission but also leaders in STEM.

Tucson’s downtown has been vastly improved and there’s a free street car from the school to downtown.

In the end, no matter where she is, if she makes the effort - but it will have to be her - she’ll find tons of interesting people and can have relationships with professors. But it does require effort.

This is on the U of A website. Talks about careers segmented by area. Might be helpful to her.

Career Pathways

Editing: A degree in linguistics provides a deep understanding of language structure, grammar, and semantics, enabling graduates to excel in editing by ensuring clarity, coherence, and accuracy in written communication.

Education: Linguistics graduates possess a comprehensive knowledge of language acquisition, phonetics, and syntax, making them well-equipped to teach languages and linguistics effectively and develop curriculum materials tailored to diverse learning needs.

Language Consulting: Become a language expert advising businesses, government agencies, and organizations on language-related matters, such as branding, localization, and linguistic diversity.

Forensic Linguistics: Apply linguistic analysis to legal contexts, working with law enforcement agencies, legal teams, and courts to analyze language evidence in criminal investigations and court cases.

Computational Linguistics: Enter the field of language technology, developing natural language processing algorithms, natural language processing and artificial intelligence, voice recognition systems, and language-based software applications.

Language Documentation and Preservation: Work with indigenous communities and language revitalization projects to document endangered languages, preserve linguistic heritage, and promote language revitalization efforts.

Cross-Cultural Communication: Utilize your expertise in linguistics to bridge communication gaps in diverse cultural contexts, working in international relations, diplomacy, and cross-cultural training.

From a Google search I did—

Carnegie Mellon

CUNY

Cal

Columbia

U of Washington

All except the CUNYs will be spendy?

IMO Southern schools will not be a fit, and probably not U of Arizona, which is very California heavy and Greek oriented.

It seems the tops in the major are large publics so in that sense there will always be Greek life. U of A is less than 30%. And there’s a lot of geographic diversity relative to others. Most publics are going to be more locally focused.

It’s finding those areas of interest where a school has the program the student might want.

At large school’s, their people will be there no matter the social interest. Whether they find them is the issue.

Table from College Factual. I assume first years given the low count.

State Amount Percent
Arizona 4,236 58.22%
California 1,246 17.12%
Illinois 236 3.24%
Washington 160 2.20%
Texas 118 1.62%
New Jersey 102 1.40%
Colorado 98 1.35%
New York 97 1.33%
Pennsylvania 71 0.98%

For U of A (AZ, not Alabama) OOS merit tuition scholarship info, go to 2025-2026 Terms and Conditions | Office of Scholarships & Financial Aid and look up “Arizona Tuition Award.” Amount awarded is $4k-$20k/yr depending on unweighted GPA. There isn’t a chart listed that says something like “this GPA range = this much $$ per year.”

They won’t look at test scores. Unless you’re National Merit semifinalist or finalist.

The Your College Bound Kid recently interviewed the dean of the honors college. Go listen to it at Interview 230: John Pollard on "Understanding Franke Honors College" - Your College-Bound Kid.

Tucson’s airport is about 30 min drive from campus. Much smaller airport than Phoenix, so to get home to Maine, you’ll need to change planes at a hub somewhere to the east coast.

U of A has a wide range of students who go from “studious & serious” to “I’m here to party.” If interested, OP’s kid should consider applying to the honors college. It’s a big enough place that you can find your crew of people there. That’s true of any big state university, of course. (general disclaimer, not directed to anyone in particular in this thread): If one chooses to attend U of A, it would be wise to not use the phrase “find your tribe,” as there are a lot of Native American tribes (and students) in the state.

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Yep, the airport isn’t Phoenix (was just there, on campus, but we fly to Phoenix (non stop from Nashville).

Coming from Maine - there will be lots of flights to Tucson - Chicago, Atlanta, Dallas, MInneapolis.

So coming from Maine shouldn’t be that big a deal - will be lots of flights.

Yes, their merit has always been GPA dependent - with a 4 they get $20K.

Tuition, room and board is a bit over $60K now - so a bit over $40K with merit - + Honors costs - still well under $50K.

Tucson, itself, has over half a million people - so it’s a sizable city.

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Agreed. @Skoten, look at the Tulane Yield discussion thread that was spun of from this admissions for a deeper dive into this issue. Very applicable to your kiddo!! Tulane Yield Discussion

The answer to your question about demonstrated interest got moved to that thread @Skoten

So 75% of students are from Arizona or California. That isn’t super geographically diverse. And stats about Greek life don’t tell the whole story.

OP’s daughter sounds to me like an independent thinker, someone who doesn’t like to follow the group or participate in prescribed activities, maybe somewhat liberal and possibly non conformist or a little more “quirky.” Additionally she is obviously intelligent and a high achiever who would benefit from a very specific environment.

And while honors programs at big state universities might be a great fit, they also might not be…especially if they are in more conservative or traditional areas. IDK, just thinking out loud.

Does OP’s daughter even want to be that far from home? Everyone likes to talk about flights being easy—but flights are also expensive, and some kids want to come home more than 2 or 3 times a year.

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gotcha - Tucson is liberal.

I think the struggle (I have) is the major - i put the schools above that are leaders - UMASS, Ohio State, Arizona, Ga Tech, Purdue, Buffalo, UMN, etc.

They’re all large - and all urban with the exception of Purdue and Umass.

UMN is in a big liberal city. Tucson is liberal. U Mass is in a liberal area as is Ga Tech - not the state but the city. Buffalo likely isn’t and not sure about Columbus. Purdue def not.

So it seems a hard needle to thread.

Not sure where Tulane comes in - I didn’t see it on the list I sent.

Hopefully @dfbdfb comes back - he might have missed the computational linguistics part (or not).

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Not clear if you’re taking about AZ, but Tucson is blue. A younger colleague of mine graduated undergrad there (honors college) a few years ago. He’s pretty quirky, definitely intellectual (went to grad school at Cornell) and said he thinks it’s a fine place for a liberal, bright student (was talking to him about C26 possibly going there).

I’d be (and am) more concerned about having to have a connecting flight to home. That just adds potential complications for every trip to and from college.