Where do you stand on feminism?

[emeraldkity4]

<p>Course not.
They can live in their parents basement.</p>

[poetgrl]

<p>I don’t honestly think sending everyone to college is going to help. </p>

<p>There is an issue between CEO compensation and stock price that is the real problem in this country at this point in time. It drives down wages and really isn’t good for the economy, not long term. It’s like financial strip mining and it is hurting the wages of men in this country, as well as women. More needs to be done to see the labor force as a stakeholder and less as “human capital.” The emphasis on getting lean in order to drive up the market price and CEO pay is the issue in so many places in this country, I’m surprised it’s not more obvious to everyone.</p>

[sally305]

<p>“Financial strip mining”–EXACTLY. </p>

[GMTplus7]

<p>@emerald, why are u denigrating people who prefer to pursue non-academic professions like plumbling? Not everyone is cut out for college and should not be herded there by default. Counties like germany that have a strong trade skills development programs recognize this.</p>

[poetgrl]

<p>Countries like Germany also have a limit on the multiples of wages a CEO can be paid relative to their laborers, as well.</p>

<p><a href=“The 39 Most Unequal Countries in the World”>The 39 Most Unequal Countries in the World;

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The most unequal countries in the world include third world nations, emerging markets and one global superpower.</p>

<p>America is the #39 most unequal country in the world, based on the CIA-recognized Gini index.</p>

<p>The U.S. has more income inequality than Russia (#51) and China (#52). It ranks far worse than Portugal (#71), which is the worst in Western Europe.</p>

<p>The Gini index is calculated based on the range of cumulative family incomes, where 0 stands for perfect equality and 100 stands for perfect inequality.

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[romanigypsyeyes]

<p>Where did you pull that from, GMT? Did I miss something? </p>

<p>I thought EK’s point (in her last post) was more about the fact that we’ve essentially made degrees necessary in order to have a chance at any kind of decent standard of living. </p>

[GMTplus7]

<p>@romani, I inferred from EK that the options were either go to college or live in parents’ basement. </p>

[emeraldkity4]

<p>If you are confident that your kids will not need to earn more than $50,000 to $60,000 a year to have a happy healthy life, by all means wncourage them to work construction/ plumbing.
I have seen that not only have many jobs gone overseas, but the ones that remain require additional education.</p>

[GMTplus7]

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If you are confident that your kids will not need to earn more than $50,000 to $60,000 a year to have a happy healthy life, by all means wncourage them to work construction/ plumbing.

For someone who has neither the intellectual capacity nor academic curiosity to go to college, one has to weigh the cost benefit of paying college tuition (and/or accumulating tremendous debt) on top of foregoing years of income.</p>

[emeraldkity4]

<p>Good point

For example, in 1979 when the first wave of Baby Boomers were the same age that Millennials are today, the typical high school graduate earned about three-quarters (77%) of what a college graduate made. Today, Millennials with only a high school diploma earn 62% of what the typical college graduate earns.

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<p><a href=“Education: The Rising Cost of Not Going to College | Pew Research Center”>http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2014/02/11/the-rising-cost-of-not-going-to-college/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[GMTplus7]

<p>What’s flawed about that Pew report is that the income of the college graduates & HS graduates are not normalized for IQ & occupation. Big surprise that, on average, cleverer people go on to college and they earn more than less clever people. Do Starbucks barristas with bachelors degree in anthropology earn more than Starbucks barristas w only a HS diploma?</p>

<p>The report also shows that 30% of college graduate respondents expressed the regret that they wish they started working sooner. And 40% of social science/ liberal arts graduates say their major has little or nothing to do w their present job.
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[alh]

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<p>The report also shows that 30% of college graduate respondents expressed the regret that they wish they started working sooner. And* 40% of social science/ liberal arts graduates say their major has little or nothing to do w their present job.***</p>

<p>It seems to me there are different ways to interpret the part in bold. (just like different ways to interpret “living in parents’ basement” ) A number of young college graduates of my acquaintance are in jobs that have little or nothing to do with their major. Sometimes those jobs didn’t even exist when they chose their major. However, their college education made their employment possible in one way or another. These are not jobs available to those with only a high school degree.</p>

<p>In the 70s, I knew folks supporting families on minimum wage jobs. Is this possible now? What sorts of jobs are available to those who don’t go to college? Or than entrepreneurship/starting one’s own business? Which I don’t feel is a reasonable expectation for the majority of the population.</p>

[Consolation]

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In the 70s, I knew folks supporting families on minimum wage jobs. Is this possible now?

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<p>No. Have you seen this before?</p>

<p><a href=“How many hours must minimum-wage earners work to afford rent?”>http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/03/24/minimum-wage-rent-affordable-housing/6817639/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[emeraldkity4]

<p>Their major may have had nothing to do with their present job, which isn’t hard to believe, but would they have even been able to get that job or advance without that " worthless" piece of paper?</p>

<p><a href=“At Work: More education is trend for future jobs”>http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/kay/2012/10/10/at-work-get-hired/1625625/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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A new CareerBuilder survey found that a college degree is more valuable than ever — both for job applicants and the employers who hire them. According to the research, three in 10 American companies say they’re hiring college-educated workers for jobs that used to be held by high school grads, a trend that cuts across industries. Companies are also more interested in hiring people with advanced degrees.

<a href=“College Grads Are Taking High School Grads’ Jobs and Delivering Better Results”>https://hbr.org/2014/03/college-grads-take-high-school-grads-jobs-deliver-better-results/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[bluebayou]

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And 40% of social science/ liberal arts graduates say their major has little or nothing to do w their present job

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<p>I’m surprised that it is that high. (Employers are looking to hire Philosophy majors to sit around and philosophize.)</p>

[emeraldkity4]

<p>^^^^^^
Well, I expect most people with a degree in English, speak English while they are working.</p>

[emeraldkity4]

<p>I speak out for continued education after high school, because I have lived the ramifications of what happens when you do not have a certificate, or liscensing or degree.
Not because I think those who are without are less intelligent. On the contrary, I believe that most are the cerebral equals of those with college educations, and it should be their choice, not their circumstances that determine whether or not they recieve one.</p>

<p>According to the inflation calculator, our family has less buying power than we did in 1980, even though H is earning twice as much.
<a href=“http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm”>http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[soccerguy315]

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Well, then men need to start some movement on it, in my opinion. If something needs to be done, they need to come up with some solutions, particularly Dads should get involved.

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<p>you are lucky if the Dads are in the picture at all</p>

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WASHINGTON, D.C., January 4, 2013, (LifeSiteNews.com) – The number of children living in single-parent homes has nearly doubled since 1960, according to data from the 2010 Census.</p>

<p>The Washington Times analyzed the most recent census data, showing that the percentage of two-parent families has dropped significantly over the past decade in all 50 states. Even as the total number of American households with children increased by 160,000, the number of two-parent households decreased by 1.2 million.

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[poetgrl]

<p>Well, as long as fathers continue to walk away or allow themselves to be forced out, there’s going to be an increasing lack of male influence in the way children are raised in the community. Seems like men need to step up. </p>

[morrismm]

<p>So to spin a different notion-
How do you all, if in a relationship, split the duties? Are you women still coming home from work and cooking, bathing the children, doing the laundry and the cleaning? Are you still mostly or fully responsible for the home and paying the bills? In other words, are you working “two” careers? </p>

<p>If women are still doing all or most of the household chores and working outside the home contributing equal or more to the household,in pay, isn’t there a problem? Maybe men are “emasculated” or maybe gaming it? Anyway, I do not see women doing it all as successful feminism.</p>