<p>I was just looking for some other less known programs and the only thing I came up with was vanderbilt (and I still don’t understand their appliction). Are there any others? I don’t think I’m going to apply to hpme or plme so I need some place takers. I’d really appreciate any help.</p>
<p>vandy takes 10 ppl…SAT avg is 1560. Hardly anyone gets in…just to elt you know.</p>
<p>omg…wow. I definately did not know that. So vanderbilt is harder than brown or northwestern- great. More pondering ahead…</p>
<p>Vandy is up there with the R/B program. It’s extremely difficult and I mean think about it…it’s def more prestitgious. PLME is MUCH easier to get into…not that it’s facile either.</p>
<p>uh, no not really. PLME is extremely difficult to get into, contrary to what other people might say. In fact, it’s neck to neck with HPME. I don’t really understand why some people think it’s easy to get into PLME. Like I said before on another thread, this person I know got into HPME and PMM, but didn’t get PLME. PLME is in BROWN university, which is an IV league school. Also, PLME chooses people in the top 1% of their graduating class, and their score requirements are pretty stringent as well. Some people just don’t know what they’re talking about, and it’s really starting to **** me off and get on my nerves when they give the wrong information.</p>
<p>and if vandy’s more prestigious than hpme and plme, then how come more people had heard of hpme and plme than of vandy?</p>
<p>i didnt hear of any of them till a few months ago…lol</p>
<p>yeah, these programs in general are not well known to the average college applicant. what i have been doing is going to any college i can think that id like to go to and searching their website to see if they have a program. i mean, you dont want to go to a place JUST because they have this program. </p>
<p>on a side note, i think the fact that hpme takes a few less than plme, but plme is an ivy cancels that out…so they are about equal to get in to. what i do know is that people turn down harvard/yale for spots in hpme and plme. bahh i have no chance :(</p>
<p>Look at University of Cincinnati duel program for BS/MD. I have met someone who only had about 1420 on the SAT (M and CR) and very strong GPA. She did, however, have very good ECs especially in community service. Cincinnati is fixated with community service. It can be one of the easiest duel programs to get accepted to. </p>
<p>By the way, Cincinnati med school is very good too.</p>
<p>Vandy started their PROGRAM this year. But if you look at MEDICAL school rankings…then there’s a HUGE difference between Brown Med and Vandy Med. That was my point. I didn’t say Brown PLME wasn’t worth it, but I said in comparison…it wasn’t super fabulous. Brown undergrad is great, but Medical school is another story.</p>
<p>Med school rankings do not necessarily mean that the med PROGRAM is good, it just means the med school is good. For instance, NU med school is pretty darn good, but it’s worse than wash u’s med school. However, the hpme program is more prestigious than wash u’s program.</p>
<p>Yeah, but consider residency and life after the PROGRAM. Not everything in the world comes down to which program you went to…the prestige of your medical school plays a far greater role…and I guarantee you that. I’m not sure who told you that the Wash U program wasn’t prestigious. Maybe it’s undesirable to you, but it is a wonderful, yet CHALLENGING and RIGOROUS prog…</p>
<p>lol, actually I just found out that wash u’s program wasn’t really a program because they pick students in their second year…</p>
<p>No, I had a sibling who applied to WUSTL’s program as he was applying for his first year in college.</p>
<p>And Aspen has it exactly right. The “prestige” of your “tracked” program isn’t useful for anything beyond showing off to your friends during high school. But if Brown is harder to get into and a less impressive school when you’re coming out of it, sounds like a lose-lose to me.</p>
<p>And if you were really obsessed with making your resume as pretty as possible (which is really quite pointless), you would never do a tracked program, since you would want very much to do med school and undergrad (and residency) at all different places.</p>
<p>Looking at the SAT average of a school does not say anything. Alot of programs with extremely high SAT averages also have extremely high requirements - a high minimum MCAT score, a high GPA requirement, and a high attrition rate which comes with all of that. Thats known as a USELESS program. Going to WUSTL, but having to maintain a 3.8 and get a 36 on the MCAT is not a program…thats the goal for any pre-med anywhere. The best programs are the ones that may not be as competitive, but have NO MCAT requirement and a low GPA, and have a tight knit, well organized program. Those programs give you personal attention, they guide you, and you end up doing well at the end of however many years. The med. school ranking is a marketing technique by USNews. Does it really make a difference as a pre-med going to UChicago or going to UPenn? NO. That prestige is an immature thought. I was accepted to programs and top undergraduate schools and at the time was fixated on rank. But now in the program and in medical school, reality has really hit me. I would advise that you really take a look at the program requirements and look at the social life because those are the things that will really dictate your success. The ranking of a school isn’t going to take you anywhere.</p>
<p>THANK you gangsta, for echoing what i’ve heard all my life “if its not Harvard or Yale no one really cares.”</p>
<p>haha you also used the word attrition. you rock.</p>
<p>btw doesnt plme have a really high attrition rate? something like 60 go in, but only 40 come out…</p>
<p>haha I don’t mean to be redundant, but just felt the urge. Prestige does matter if you want a job after undergraduate, but for medicine no…even if you want an academic position, the medical school is not an issue. Does it make some difference yes, but thats between regions (medical students in the south have a better chance of getting residency in the south than medical students in the north) and the very top versus the very bottom (Yale versus St. George’s).</p>
<p>PLME has a reasonable attrition rate…UPitt, WashU are the worst though.</p>
<p>yeaah attrition is a cool word. Attrition.</p>
<p>oh REALLLLLY??? pitt has a high attrition rate??? veryy interesting. do you know the stats?</p>
<p>and yeah i wasnt being sarcastic. im glad you made that point. i think getting in plme is just as awesome (or more, bc i think plme is a great opportunity) as getting in a program with a “better” med school.</p>
<p>they are all crazy competitive; to get in one is a major achievement.</p>
<p>but yeah i want to show off to my high school friends. of course. haha ;)</p>
<p>I don’t know stats. But I have a friend who’s a first-year in medical school there. He started out with 6 others and is the only one that made it through. There is a 3.7 minimum GPA requirement for the program and a minimum MCAT score. The other thing to think about is the college environment which I didn’t give two shts about, but now that I think about it, it would’ve made somewhat of a difference. Going to a huge school like UPitt means a little bit harder to meet people and make friends and it means a more diverse group of friends in terms of major, etc. At a smaller school, you have more similar people, easier to meet people, you know the area more, etc. Also if you’re a partier, you have to look into the environment.</p>
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That’s a silly thing to claim. A 3.8, 36 will not get you into WUSTL Med. Those numbers are below average for the medical school (median 3.9, 38). Add to that that you can pull all kinds of stunts to inflate your numbers (repeat MCATs, unbalanced MCAT scores, course avoidance), and it sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me.</p>
<p>And given that the WUSTL program is one year old, it’s a little premature to be discussing attrition rates.</p>