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<p>which is really why cheating on your application is wrong. one person’s cheating is bad for everyone. and snitching is bad for only one person.</p>
<p>no, snitching is bad for everyone. The university, already very busy has to read through this and decide what to do. the cheater is disgraced and even though he may deserve it, it’s still bad for him. And of course, no one likes a snitcher. so it’s bad for everyone.</p>
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<p>it’s not bad for the university - you’re helping them find a fraud. do you really think it’s better for them to continue awarding financial aid and precious slots to cheaters? do you think they’d rather not know so they could be less busy? i think they’d be glad, especially if the snitcher could provide proof.</p>
<p>it’s bad for the cheater - it should be. he cheated; the appropriate and reasonable amount of punishment should be meted out. he’s not entitled to protection from the consequences of his dishonesty.</p>
<p>yes, everybody hates a snitcher - but how is that bad for them?</p>
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<p>How is the cheater wrong?</p>
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<p>don’t change the subject - if you hate a certain someone whom everyone else also hates, how is that bad for you?</p>
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<p>the cheater’s not wrong? wait a minute - THAT’S news to us. are you being serious or are you just ■■■■■■■■?</p>
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<p>No, but i think you are. and double posting too.</p>
<p>oh, and in case you didn’t know, </p>
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<li><p>there’s also a thing called being annoyingly literal towards very annoying people.</p></li>
<li><p>i suggest you find out what double posting is, what ■■■■■■■■ means, and learn how to actually be sarcastic, because you’re apparently not very good at it. don’t you have better things to do than be a ■■■■■? because the rest of us do, and you’re wasting our time and precious server space.</p></li>
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<p>Back to the topic …</p>
<p>Ahhh … snitching has been used in history to turn neighbor against neighbor and the lack of snitching or “minding your own business” has also been destructive.</p>
<p>The move “Atonement” comes to mind as well as scenes of bullying. </p>
<p>Thoughts …</p>
<p>First I would make sure the claim was correct otherwise you could be subjecting yourself to a lawsuit. Be able to provide proof.</p>
<p>Second I would NOT make the claim anonymously … no one would take it seriously if no name is attached.</p>
<p>Three, I am sure these claims are made often at the top schools … I would probe the school first and find out the course of action normally taken … is it worth the pain for all involved.</p>
<p>Fourth … I actually think the FIRST course of action is to confront the accused before you go about mucking up the waters. If they admit it … ??</p>
<p>Some of the previous postings made me sad: turning in a cheater is bad? It sounds like cheating is an acceptable way of life for many of you, more so than being considered “annoying” by your friends.</p>
<p>OP, why not contact Yale first and ask them if they are interested in the information? Submitting a purchased essay as one’s own, is a serious issue that needs to be addressed by colleges. Making a big deal out of it may be exactly what is needed in this competitive college application climate.</p>
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<p>I’m kinda with Cervantes here - the thing is, you may not be sure if he/she got in because of his/her essays, and also the fact that it won’t really do you a thing. This probably isn’t the only thing that’s “wrong” in college admissions, many other groups have advantages and tricks to benefit themselves; not everyone gets in “fairly”. While it may be despicable, what good does it do for reporting your friend? Just that you’d ruin his life, and, nothing coming good for you? </p>
<p>Some get in fairly, some don’t. That’s how it is.</p>
<p>Unless you know for sure that cheating occurred and that it can be proved, forget it. You have more important things to do. You can get yourself mired in a bunch of nonsense that can really hurt you. No one likes a snitch, especially one whose allegations cannot be proven and all he does is stir up a stench. If you actually saw someone push the send button on an app to a college with an essay that was plaguerized from a source that can truly be verified, for instance, you have proof. If a kid tells you he paid someone to write the essay, you are only going on what he says and he may be pulling your leg. He may not even have sent said essay to said college, may not have paid anyone, and no one may even be able to prove any of it. See what chain of evidence you have to have. My very foolish son once claimed he did something he did not and someone told someone at his high school. It was of enough concern to check out, and it was clearly not true; son said he was just kidding and his friends felt it was clear he was, and frankly, it was enough of a jest that I had trouble believing that someone took it seriously. Yes, my son got flak and into some trouble, but the other kid got more. Kids do fool around and brag of things they did not do, even bad things.</p>
<p>Turning in a cheater is bad if you cannot prove it. Anyone can say someone was cheating, stealing, etc. If spurious claims are honored, there would be chaos. You have to use common sense as to when to turn in a cheater.</p>
<p>Agreed with cptofthehouse…aside from the fact that it’s pretty worthless and “unfair” things happen all the time with admissions, how would you prove it to Yale?</p>
<p>screwitlah, “No one likes a snitcher” is an unwritten rule in the 10 Cultural Commandments of the US. Don’t try to understand why most Americans can’t stand snitching. I don’t understand it either, even though I’ve lived in the US my whole life (but my parents were immigrants, so I grew up with a slightly altered set of cultural values.) It’s a purely cultural quirk that does not need to make sense for people to stand by it. Those who hate snitchers will always tell you not to snitch, because “everyone hates snitchers!” Yes, it is circular logic. So what? :)</p>
<p>Now… I don’t think the cheater should be turned in either, but not because of something silly like “everyone hates a snitch.” First, nobody can prove that it was the essays that got him in, or that bad essays would have gotten him rejected. Second, even if the college did rescind his admission, it is unlikely at this point in the summer that someone from the waiting list will replace him. On moral principle, turning a cheater in might be right, but when nobody benefits from that (except maybe the school, in a rather insignificant way - by kicking out 1 bad apple) I just think t here’s no point. I guess you could argue that the school could make an example of the kid. But frankly I don’t think any kind of punishment would befall the cheater even if someone turned him in, because it seems too impossible to back up this claim.</p>
<p>You know this is immoral but it isn’t illegal. The guy disgraced himself and took an easy way out, but he never violated any terms, did he? So he cannot be rescinded. Correct me if I am wrong.</p>
<p>Look. maybe there’s nothing wrong with snitching. But can’t you just find it in your hearts to forgive? Why do you have to complicate your own life to make a friend miserable? Especially when your helping someone who you don’t know? Just because your doing something right? And it’s not even undisputedly right. Every one makes mistakes. It’s not up to you to give them consequences. </p>
<p>Even if snitching is right, it definitely isn’t smart.</p>
<p>“But can’t you just find it in your hearts to forgive? Why do you have to complicate your own life to make a friend miserable?”</p>
<p>What kind of crap reasoning is this? Forgive someone who clearly had no problems with doing something unethical in the first place, and who didn’t even feel strongly enough about what they did to notify the school? Forgive someone who has no remorse and didn’t even acknowledge their own error? Again, you are viewing this from an incredibly selfish perspective. The purpose of “snitching” is not to make a friend miserable? You’re doing it to protect the integrity of a very competitive admissions process. You’re doing it to make sure that the process rewards the best candidates who honestly present themselves to the school. To view it as something between you and your friend is incredibly myopic.</p>
<p>“Every one makes mistakes. It’s not up to you to give them consequences.”</p>
<p>You’re not giving them consequences. You are giving the information to the people who give out the consequences. Note the huge difference. Mistakes have consequences. The end. They presented themselves falsely, and they must face the consequences. Everyone makes mistakes, but people get put in jail for them. It’s not a free ride.</p>
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<p>What BS. So we should overlook all mistakes because “everyone makes them”? I guess we should overlook murders, rape, and thievery because “can’t we find it in our hearts to forgive?” Yes, I know it’s not fair for me to exaggerate faking a college app essay into a real crime against a human being. But we can’t forgive all mistakes, especially not INTENTIONAL “mistakes.” The line needs to be drawn somewhere. I would call a typo a mistake. Not a commissioned essay posed as one’s on work a “mistake.” How can you use such a cliched overgeneralization to argue that we should never do what’s right? Oops, I just ran my hijacked plane into the Twin Towers. My bad, please forgive me.</p>
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Yeah, whoever heard of doing something just because it’s right? That’s just stupid. You need to do stuff that will make people like you more. Such as not snitching.</p>
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So who is it up to? The school? But there’s no way for the school to find out the kind of info you know about the kid - that he paid someone to write his essay for him. It is still up to the school to decide consequences.</p>
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<p>And more seriously, I can find it in my heart to forgive someone who acknowledges and feels remorse for their “mistakes.” </p>
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Right. Because if you don’t know who you’re helping, that person doesn’t exist. And the complete redirection of his life - admission to an amazing school he deserves a chance to attend much more than the cheater does - really means nothing. Because I mean… he’s a total stranger. Who ever heard of helping strangers.</p>