<p>Accusations of cheating, and other wrongdoing are very, very serious. If every rumor, accusation, thought, suspicion were investigated there would be little time to do anything else. Rumors run rampant. You need the proof. </p>
<p>When one of my sons was in middle school, there was a theft of someone’s property, and he “heard through the grapevine” who stole it. When there was an appeal to give all info, he told a teacher the rumors. It turned out not to be true or not proven. It was a lot of trouble for all involved. You have to have enough proof for suspicions to have merit. Now if the police are involved and it is a serious crime where life, health are at stake, that is a different story. Every lead then has to be followed. Common sense is very, very important in life.</p>
but truth is, your not even helping them. I highly doubt that they’d care. They’d probably just think your some no good kid trying to get in no matter what it takes. And sure, helping strangers is good, but would you hurt your friends and family to help a stranger? </p>
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No, that’s not what I’m saying. If you think snitching is at the level of the above, you have problems. Sure you “have to draw the line somewhere” but definitely not on such insignificant mistakes like this. It will catch on to them eventually, and even if it doesn’t, well that has nothing to do with you. Catching murders, rapists, thieves benefit somebody. Snitching doesn’t. </p>
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I would say God, but you might not believe in god. So let’s say… karma or nature or whatever rules the nature abides by. whoever it is, it’s not you. </p>
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Your looking at that sentence by itself, not in context.</p>
<p>again, if you wanna snitch, be my guest. but it’s definitely not smart, and chances are, it’s going to bring you a lot of work and consequences.</p>
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no your not. as someone else said, no one’s going to get in because they kicked this person out.</p>
<p>Back in post #23, OP said s/he had “proof” of the cheating, but did not specify what that proof is. If it is mere hearsay, then I would agree that it is not worthwhile to pursue reporting the deed. If the proof is something tangible, such as a copy of the essay written by the professional service, indicating that it was written by them, then I think it should be reported in order to protect the integrity of the college admissions process. Yale is free to ignore it or act upon it, at their discretion.</p>
<p>I don’t want to criticize your religious beliefs, but I think you will agree that God is incapable of telling the admissions officers at Yale that the OP’s friend got someone to write his essay. Living human beings, however, are capable.</p>
<p>“No, that’s not what I’m saying. If you think snitching is at the level of the above, you have problems. Sure you “have to draw the line somewhere” but definitely not on such insignificant mistakes like this. It will catch on to them eventually, and even if it doesn’t, well that has nothing to do with you. Catching murders, rapists, thieves benefit somebody. Snitching doesn’t.”
Wrong. You have something to do with it because you know about it. It automatically involves you at that point. I think that people are under the delusion that privacy/personal rights exist in way more situations than they actually do.</p>
<p>“I would say God, but you might not believe in god. So let’s say… karma or nature or whatever rules the nature abides by. whoever it is, it’s not you.”</p>
<p>It’s clearly up to the school. The student isn’t suggesting any course of action or consequences. He is simply providing information to the school, which can do whatever they want with it. They’re not doling out punishment. They’re providing information to the school that is completely relevant to the application process.</p>
<p>“again, if you wanna snitch, be my guest. but it’s definitely not smart, and chances are, it’s going to bring you a lot of work and consequences.”</p>
<p>Stop projecting your own concerns onto others. If someone has concrete proof and feels that snitching is worth the effort because it can preserve the validity of the application process by even a little bit, then it’s definitely the smart option.</p>
While I agree that the OP’s friend got in unfairly, so do many others in many different ways; some get caught, some don’t. How will you ever know for certain, though, if the essay did make a big difference in admissions or anything? Whether or not someone deserves admissions, advantages/disadvantages exist, unfair things happen, and you’ll never be certain on what grounds happened exactly with college admissions. It’s unfair, yes. What good will it really do for anyone, let alone Yale, by reporting, though? honestly. </p>
<p>The whole situation seems really vague, though…I’m not really sure how much the services helped, whether it was something like essay-edge for editing (which editing is permitted) or something entirely written by someone else. I don’t know, chances are, I believe, it doesn’t really help much for someone else to write your essays, most I know have done this aren’t very successful and I think admission officers at a place like Yale are usually smart enough to consider these things.</p>
<p>Bottom line, I don’t know, I agree with amb3r that there doesn’t seem to be a real point in this.</p>
<p>“While I agree that the OP’s friend got in unfairly, so do many others in many different ways; some get caught, some don’t. How will you ever know for certain, though, if the essay did make a big difference in admissions or anything?”</p>
<p>It doesn’t matter. But the honesty assumed to be present in the application wasn’t. THAT is the relevance. Even if the student didn’t get in based on the essay, the school may choose to rescind the application because of the complete dishonesty exhibited. Or they could choose to do nothing. That’s their choice.</p>
<p>Reporting this single incident won’t, by itself, have much impact. But there must be consequences for those who cheat the system, otherwise why should anyone bother to submit a legitimate application?</p>
<p>Eh, I agree with your points, and of course it’s not like I approve of “cheating”…it’s just difficult to convey, but I just see so many unfair cases, to certain degrees in many different areas…it’s just like, just go with what you have, and by reporting him it won’t do a good for anyone. Whatever though.</p>
This asinine logic has been ripped apart sufficiently by Baelor and amb3r but I’ll throw in .02 on the subject of “snitching.” </p>
<p>My old Latin teacher used to tell me that the reason high school sucks so much is because people acquiesce in the face of blatant stupidity and dishonesty. The reason we have hall passes and idiotic rules and need to ask permission every time we need to take a dump is because we silently condone the utter bulls**t of a handful of imbeciles. People like this girl who cheated her way into Yale are the reason why life is so bureaucratic and annoying for the rest of us who do things honestly. </p>
<p>So by all means, snitch on a moron if it preserves the integrity of a system we all use.</p>
<p>it’s impossible to prove that he/she didnt write the essay.</p>
<p>not to mention how ridiculously late it is. turning someone in this late will make it look like youre out to get that person or something.</p>
<p>it would also be easy to set-up this person to make it look like he/she cheated.</p>
<p>this is the most pointless thread ever. sure, you have every right to report this person. will it do anything? no. will he/she get rescinded? no.</p>
<p>i might also add that the person in question is a dumbass for telling others he/she cheated.</p>
<p>forget about finding it in your hearts to forgive, about how ridiculously common sense it is to protect someone who’s obviously committed a blatant act of dishonesty, and about how cheating on a college application is not enshrined in our laws and is thus not as important or “snitchable” as calling the police to report someone else’s rape or homicide if you happen to see it. </p>
<p>let’s look at the common app, of which Yale is a member. at the very end the cheater must have signed this agreement, or that year’s variation of this agreement.</p>
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<p>Sure, cheating on an application is not a crime. but it’s a violation of the agreement that the cheater has signed when applying to Yale. the same agreement explicitly spells out the consequences of violating that agreement between the cheater and Yale. the cheater has agreed to the consequences. so:</p>
<p>1) the snitcher is not the originator of the consequences.
2) cheating is something that Yale finds undesirable and severe enough to be grounds for revocation or expulsion.</p>
<p>Although I agree the person who outsourced her essay deserves to be punished, we must realize that the system of college admissions is unfair. I can bet you she’s not only one who hired a professional to write his or her essay and received a spot at a prestigious institution. Although what she did is morally despicable, the subsequent costs of reporting the person is even worse.</p>
<p>She will be hard-pressed to find a school this late in the admissions process…destroying someone’s future over such a small (yet immoral) matter is NOT morally right.</p>
<p>crimes happen all the time too. rapes, homicides, what have you. so we don’t report a crime when we see one, because “it’s not the only crime out there”? what if your house were burgled when you were away on a holiday? wouldn’t you want your neighbor to help call the police?</p>
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<p>the snitcher doesn’t destroy her future. she already did, by signing an agreement which she knowingly violated and thus opening herself up to the possibility of revocation. i don’t know where you get your sense of morals from, but it seems to be centred around protecting cheaters.</p>
<p>amb3r: i totally agree that nobody likes snitchers. but some people are confusing “dislike” with “wrong”.</p>
<p>“She will be hard-pressed to find a school this late in the admissions process…destroying someone’s future over such a small (yet immoral) matter is NOT morally right.”</p>
<p>Of course it is. In fact, it’s the right thing to do. You sign the contract knowing what you are doing. If you are dumb or dishonest enough to violate the rules to which you agree, then you deserve to be punished. It doesn’t even matter how serious it is, and I’m absolutely disgusted at the attitudes here (I can understand the practical limitations of snitching, but this “screwing over someone else’s life” argument is repulsive). They agreed that the essay was theirs, and understand that being rescinded is a possible consequence of lying. That is the only thing that matters. Crime and punishment. It’s not that hard not to hire outside help. They deserved to be punished for violating very clear rules to which they agreed in the first place. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.</p>