<p>BJU and Pensacola is without doubt conservative. But we have no right to mock or criticize them. Let them be. Let everyone live their own lives and respect others’ decisions.</p>
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<p>They certainly don’t respect our decision to be more secular…conservatives are even more intolerant. And besides, who bombs abortion clinics? Who attacks homosexuals? That’s right, conservatives.</p>
<p>I wonder if the people who call out “liberal hypocrisy” on these threads do the equivalent when people from the religious right try to force creationism into public schools, or claim anybody who doesn’t literally interpret the Bible or whatever is going to hell. Oh, I forgot, religion gets an automatic mulligan on everything in this country.</p>
<p>WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO MOCK AND CRITICIZE THEM. Just like they have the right to mock and criticize my lifestyle. I don’t care. Tell me I’m going to hell, gays are evil, jews are evil, everyone is evil and against god, blah blah blah. I have no problem with them saying all of these things to me if they wish, go ahead, it’s called freedom of speech. Just don’t sit here and tell me I can’t do the same.</p>
<p>The problem we are having here is that people are trying to “respect” things that clearly are stupid. It’s not a respectable decision to go to a college that treats you like you are five years old. It’s a dumb decision. Just like we all let Vail go on with their anti-liberalness, who cares? They think being liberal is stupid, good for them, as long as someone else gets to say being conservative is stupid it’s all fair.</p>
<p>HF, sure you have the right to criticize them, but you sound stupid if you’re one of the same people that preach tolerance and acceptance.</p>
<p>I don’t see the point of attending this school. Isn’t a large part of college to prepare you for life? This keeps you from the real world, you’ll be psychologically about as well adapted as 12 year olds coming out with no way of making your own choices because you haven’t been exposed to them.</p>
<p>Well when that tolerance is not reciprocal, I have the right to be intolerant of them.</p>
<p>Evolution doesn’t even take up that much time in a high school biology class.</p>
<p>… what in the world? Evolution is one of the most basic principles of biology, and is connected to almost every facet of biology. Zoology? Good luck teaching that without the evolutionary origins of species. Same with all living organisms. Molecular biology? Right, nevermind genetic mutation and the passing on of them, which is evolution. Ecology? Come on, this is adaptation and evolution in action. Population biology? Same. Biodiversity? Ditto. Cells? Yep. Developmental biology? Please. The only sections I’m thinking of now that don’t specifically involve a whole lot of evolution is biochemistry, and to a lesser extent anatomy/physiology. Every one of these subjects must be at least partially explored from the evolutionary point of view. Sure the teacher might ignore this, but this would be a curricular travesty and a major disservice to the students. These teachers are, in my opinion, generally unfit to teach a general biology class. If the teacher doesn’t believe in the very basis of the science, what qualification does the teacher have? Ever met a good teacher who doesn’t believe in what he/she is teaching? This teacher may teach a biblical biology class if he/she wishes, but her ability to teach a general biology class is obviously impaired by her disbelief of the very foundations of the subject. Would you let a holocaust denier to teach a class on World War II? Take it to home, would you let a teacher with evolutionary beliefs teach a class that does not acknowledge its existence? Once again, allowing somebody to teach a subject which he/she disagrees with on the most the fundamental levels does the subject disservice. Disagreeing with some details is normal, but not a disagreement to this extent. Would it be fair for students to be coached for AP Physics test by a teacher who doesn’t believe in Newton’s three laws? In the same fashion, would it be fair for students to prepare for the AP biology test, which unequivocally assumes the existence of evolution, under the guidance of a person who doesn’t believe in it? Once again, I reiterate my case, teachers who don’t believe in evolution probably teach general biology classes worse than teachers who do believe in it, as general biology classes support evolution; evolution is one of the most important foundations of biology, and allowing a person who does not acknowledge its existence to teach it to kids is just stupid. Thus, it can be concluded that Bob Jones university does not correctly prepare its students for a secular high school biology teaching career.</p>
<p>If you choose to believe in evolution, that is fine, but you should realize that science is not based upon evolution, even though evolution could be considered the “religion of science” insofar as it fulfills the scientific need to explain the world using a set of hypotheses and (technically bad) theories (technically bad because they have zero falsifiability – a critical component in a good scientific theory).</p>
<p>Biology is almost entirely based on evolution. Please tell me, if all evolution disappears, how much of modern biology will make sense? The study of biology, of living organisms, is one inherently of change and adaptation, one of evolution. And no, these theories do not have zero falsifiability. Molecular evolution can be easily tested. Macro-evolution is harder to test, but can still be done so using fossil evidence and genetic testing, among other things. So I fail to see the problem here.</p>
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<p>That’s exactly the point.</p>
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<p>It’s a darn good thing all liberals don’t think like you do, and that some actually practice what they preach. I actually had a liberal professor who was (gasp!) tolerant of my beliefs. He respectfully disagreed with some of them, and thought that I should open myself up more to more liberal plays and whatnot (the class was theatre), but he didn’t try to talk me down or call me stupid just because he disagreed with them.</p>
<p>I don’t understand why you’re turning this into a political debate. You don’t have to be “liberal” to dislike Bob Jones U. It seems like any time somebody in country tries to have a reasonable argument, the only responses he gets are “Well you’re a liberal/conservative/libertarian/demon worshipper/insert label here and therefore whatever you have to say is disqualified.”</p>
<p>Vail, there is a difference between being conservative and Bob Jones University. Bob Jones openly practiced racism until 2000. Bob Jones is a joke of a school that treats it’s college aged students as if they are 5 years old, not preparing them at all for the real world.</p>
<p>Being a conservative does not equal anything remotely close to Bob Jones. They aren’t far to the right, they are actually insane. Bob Jones is a joke of a school that has nothing to do with your anti-liberlness.</p>
<p>I think it’s a great place. We can use it as a ‘concentration camp’ for those who are in probation for other colleges and universities around the country. Put them there and they’ll value their college lifestyle. It’s a genius invention :D</p>
<p>For what it’s worth, my grandfather went to BJU. He’s traveled in about fifty countries, done a ton of consulting work, and taught at a university for many years. I have never heard him complain that his college education left him unprepared for the real world, and when he went back in the fifties, BJU was probably as strict if not even more so on their policies.</p>
<p>From the OP way WAY back…reading that made me laugh. It’s just too ironic, that’s all. If I was crazy - or I really didn’t like my kids - I’d send them there!</p>
<p>a) Seriously. The number of movies that have been produced that have a G rating (NOT PG, don’t even think about it!) in the last year or so - I can count on one finger. Most PG movies are live action, so pretty much you’re stuck with Teletubbies movies, Barbie in all her CG-animated glory, and Meet the Robinsons (the new Pixar movie in theaters). Heck, you can’t even watch freaking POKEMON (that’s Y7, for all the flashes and “fighting” - totally not for a two-year-old).
As for the video games: same deal. There’s still Barbie and, if you have a Wii, that cooking game. And, of course, Tetris.
Irony: as a Christian school, they <em>do</em> realize they can’t watch Passion of the Christ, right? It’s definitely rated R. They also can’t watch the Ten Commandments with Charleton Heston. I don’t think they’ll be able to watch the Nativity Story movie…the point being they’re shooting themselves in the foot. Not only that, how are they going to keep people from watching public FREE television? I can’t watch the news, but I can </p>
<p>b) They can’t listen to country, rap, rock, R&B, hip-hop, jazz, new age, or contemporary Christian music.
Irony: they CAN listen to trance, electronica, dance, house (jungle and bass), anything classical or orchestral <—just as long as it not contemporary Christian, comedy/spoken word <— can get pretty dirty, and (here’s the kicker)…freaking POP. Yes, their virgin ears can stand BRITNEY SPEARS and the PUSSYCAT DOLLS, but Kirk Franklin, Eric Clapton…even <em>Celine Dion</em> - are heathens?!?</p>
<p>c) banning Hollister and A&F. I absolutely hate both of those companies (and the ones in their vein), but wouldn’t figure a place like that would outright BAN those two.
Irony: they can still wear hot topic shirts, things with suggestive/obscene sayings, Nike shoes (hello sweatshops!), and the girls can still wear Victoria’s Secret lingere.
{oops, the Dress Code wasn’t posted. But from the information given, that’s what’s left. Kinda shameful.}</p>
<p>I don’t understand what all the brouhaha is about. This isn’t a government-mandated thing. People go if they want (or if their parents make them, whatever). Don’t go if you don’t like it. Poke fun if you want, just don’t let it get out of hand. What does any of this matter? Who cares what so-and-so said about liberals or conservatives or gays or Christians or professors or Abercrombie and Fitch? Live your own lives and get over yourselves.</p>
<p>You can’t even go to a movie with a rating above G? </p>
<p>Dude, even Jesus can’t deny the awesomeness that is The Matrix series. They need to get real.</p>
<p>How do they enforce these rules? (seriously, im interested)</p>
<p>The dress code and other obvious things would be easy but how do you police people to this level?</p>
<p>they’ve probably got narcs or something, like RA’s, but paid to rat people out</p>
<p>I’m sorry but Bob Jones University makes Gitmo sound liberal. Prisoners have more rights than BJU students.</p>
<p>I know pensacola cc (pcc) has “monitors” that are paid to actually follow students around and tattle on them! …they actually pay monitors to follow ppl off-campus so they don’t do anything utterly sinful… like a guy and a girl go to the beach (gasp!) TOGETHER!!! (GASP!)</p>