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<p>hsmomstef: I got the reasons why a student MIGHT apply?</p>
<p>But it seems that most DONT.</p>
<p>So whats your point?</p>
<p>Reminds me of a thing my dad used to say, whenever I said something like that. “If most jump off a cliff, will you”</p>
<p>Yes, ln the Stock Market, most investors loss money. Those ones that making money are the “Minority”. That means The majority are lean to make wrong decisions.</p>
<p>We live in California, BOTH of my Ds want to go to school on the east coast, for a variety of reasons, BOTH have told me they do NOT want to go to school with mostly California Kids, which is the population of UCs</p>
<p>Why you may ask and seem unable to fathom, POIH, is because they want a different experience then they have had, both want to intern in NYC, both want to be in a real metropolitan area, both want to have access to areas like Boston, Wash DC, Philidelphia because that is where they have friends</p>
<p>Both have interests in majors where interning is a plus when it comes to job hunts, so being in a place like Irvine or Cal Poly, would just not work</p>
<p>I have a friend who got a scholarship for sports to Berkely, and just doesn’t want to go there</p>
<p>For some Berkeley is just not what they want</p>
<p>It is like talking to a brick wall sometimes with some posters, and I can just imagine what it would be like for a child to try and explain anything</p>
<p>If you can’t understand why some go private, or far away, or jsut don’t like some UCs, there is nothing we can say anymore</p>
<p>poih</p>
<p>and what is your problem with U-M, you disparage it, you can’t understand why many people like it, I don’t understand the animosity to this school</p>
<p>and so what if lots go to Cal, so what…the UC system is a fine system, down to the Comunnity Colleges, it may not be what everyone wants though</p>
<p>sending my D to NYC is perfecct for her, some think U-M is perfect for them, what can’t you undertand about personal choices? man, when you say you aren’t deciding for your child, yet can’t understand that others make valid choices outside of your realm of experience, I just really wonder</p>
<p>citygirlsmom: Who is saying that applying to outof california is wrong, as most likely if my D got her first few choices she will be at east coast.</p>
<p>But the point of the thread was that there doesn’t seem to be any valid LOGICAL reason to apply to out of state PUBLIC UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN if you are a student in California, as for that amount of money and selectivity you will have a very good choice of PRIVATE Colleges on the east coast, mid west etc.</p>
<p>does liking a school have anything to do with your thought process at all? seems to not</p>
<p>some people like a school, and so what if they do? </p>
<p>you seem to throw around prestige and selectiviy ALOT, and to many people that is not so important to them, other factors, and values beside what others think matters to them</p>
<p>Some people like U-M and guess there is nothing in the world that will make you understand that</p>
<p>Selevtivity is not the most important reason to pick a school, though that seems to be the most important to you</p>
<p>For CS, Applying UIUC is LOGICAL!
For Engineering, Applying UMich, UIUC, GA Tech, Purdue,…is LOGICAL!
For Business, Applying UMich(Ross), IU(Kelley) is LOGICAL and SMART!
For Music or Music Theater, Applying UMich, IU is LOGICAL!
…and more.</p>
<p>Join the “Minority” and making the LOGICAL moves! :)</p>
<p>^ Based on that post, it seems to me that your argument is that people who are competitive enough to get into UM from out-of-state will likely have other, “better” (in your opinion) places to go, at an equivalent price.
I think that you are perhaps underestimating the selectivity of many private colleges (particularly those Ivies that your daughter is interested in applying to) and overestimating the selectivity of UM.
While it is indeed harder to be accepted to UM from out of state, I believe the majority of it is still heavily numbers-based - GPA, SAT scores, etc - just because it is a public school. If you have solid numbers, you have a great shot at getting in.
HOWEVER, the competitive private schools look closely at a great deal of other factors - extracurricular involvement, leadership positions, etc. One could realistically be admitted to UM and be rejected from HYPSM.</p>
<p>Based on some things you’ve said (i.e. college list from a nearby high school taken from Monta Vista), I believe you’re from the San Jose area, correct? Let me tell you, this year’s seniors did NOT fare well with selective privates. At my school (I go to Lynbrook), only a very small handful were accepted to Brown, Stanford, Penn, Cornell, and MIT. Some of those kids might not have gotten in had they not applied under early action/early decision. NOBODY (including people who I felt were extremely well-qualified) was accepted to Harvard, Yale, or Princeton. Maybe that will put things in perspective for you.</p>
<p>Finally, which college is right for a student is not always quantifiable in terms of logic, money, admissions rates, etc. Sometimes it is simply about fit - fit is completely subjective, but it is indeed a valid reason for picking one school over another. For example, who cares if you get into Berkeley, Harvard, Stanford, or Yale if you really do not want to attend any of those schools? What if you like UM better than any of those? (hypothetical situation, not saying this is the case with your D)</p>
<p>Case in point - all logic says I should have gone to UCLA, where I got a prestigious $5500 Regents scholarship on top of having in-state tuition. It’s a perfectly reputable school which I like well enough, for practically dirt-cheap. However, I’ll be going to Northwestern next fall and paying more than twice as much for it. Why? Because the school fit me better.</p>
<p>Last thing, I know someone who turned down Berkeley, UCLA (w/ prestigious scholarship), Northwestern, Penn (there’s an Ivy for ya), and probably a few other schools… to go to UM.</p>
<p>Hi Parent – it seems like you see that there are some reasons why a student from Cali might apply to UM, but you wonder why they don’t. I think if you look at matriculation statistics from every public school in the US, you will find that the vast majority attend an in-state public school. </p>
<p>Many kids never realize they have any other option, many public schools are set up to feed kids into the local or flagship public Uni, cost becomes a factor, top students are offered special financial incentives and honors colleges spots, etc.</p>
<p>So – yes, there are clearly logical reasons why a Cali student would apply and attend UM. Yes, most Cali students apply and attend an in-state Uni.</p>
<p>What you have to be careful about using statistics is that college attendance is an individual choice, based on a variety of factors that each student weighs differently. My son would never consider sports as a factor in attending a school while I have read many posters looking for a school with Division I sports as a criteria.</p>
<p>I have a question for you – previously you stated that if your D got into Harvard and Univ. of Chicago, you would not pay for her to go to Univ. of Chicago.</p>
<p>Let just say, for the sake of argument, that you daughter wanted to major in Economics and was accepted into Univ of Chicago and Harvard. The money was a non-issue, the cost would be identical. Your D has visited both schools and absolutely fell in love with Univ. of Chicago. She sat in on classes, found a couple of professors that she really connected with and is even in contact with one who really wants her to attend. She thought Harvard was so-so, not all that impressed with anything but the name. She didn’t like the classes she sat in on and had trouble understanding the TA that taught the Econ class. When she tried to talk with someone from the Econ department, they never responded. These are the only two schools she was accepted into.</p>
<p>what would you do – would you let your D go to Univ of Chicago or make her attend Harvard?</p>
<p>IvyParent:</p>
<p>while there might not be any logical reason to YOU, there are logical reasons why students would atttend public colleges OOS; several have been identified on this thread. Just bcos YOU don’t care about Saturday afternoon football doesn’t mean that its not important to some students and their families. Only Cal and UCLA in the Pac10 have big time sports in a major conference, but nothing compares to sitting in the Big House on a Saturday afternoon. Other great publics are UVa and UNC-CH, which is less expensive than UMich for OOS kids and offers a smallar environment. (Incidentally, I would suggest that UN-CC is the next most difficult public school for OOS apps, with Cal being #1.)</p>
<p>Take a look at the demographics of the upper midwest – the graduating HS population hits its peak awhile ago, unlike Calif which is still producing more 18 year-olds. For a Californian, UMich is easier to get into than is Cal. Assuming an acceptance at UMich means acceptance at other highly selective private colleges in the east and midwest is a logic error in your analysis. </p>
<p>btw: If a family has the money, attending a fabulous school like UMich is LOGICAL.</p>
<p>we also each have our own definition of logical reasons. I am not a sports person and no one in my family is. I cannot ever imagine picking a school based on the teams. I find weather to be important – specifically the number of sunny days in a year. I can’t stand to have overcast, gray days all winter – it is just depressing. </p>
<p>To me, the reasons are perfectly logical – to bluebayou (or someone else) it probably sounds completely wrong. That is the beauty of fit!</p>
<p>csquare: I really feel bad for you as you have such strong credential, Did you have a less rigrous curriculumn.</p>
<p>That is what I pointed to some before that many of valedictorian from HS are not able to make it to the top Universities but I thought because they avoid rigrous courses.</p>
<p>You should have been a Valdictorian at the said school. What do you think has gone against you.</p>
<p>I am totally don’t understand your last post, POIH= csquare is happy, did well, picked a wonderful school, etc</p>
<p>POIH- k, you can be val, you can take the most rigorous courses, you can win contest, have perfect SAT and STILL get rejected from ALL the IVYs…it happens</p>
<p>Why do you think things went agasint cssquare, I don’t understand that point of view</p>
<p>from your comments to csquare, I think you are way off the mark when it comes to understanding what it takes to get into an Ivy. Unless you change both your expectations and your understanding of what a crap shoot it is to gain admittance to a top school, you and your daughter are in for a really rude wake-up call come senior year.</p>
<p>as far as rigorous curriculum – the student is judged according to whether they took the most rigorous curriculum available to them – not the most rigorous in the country. Many valedictorians take the most rigorous courses and do not get admittance into top schools – there are just too many applicants to admit them all.</p>
<p>Parent – do you have an answer to my question in post 132?</p>
<p>Wait, what? I wasn’t referring to myself, but to others at my school, and I especially was not asking for pity. Nothing has gone against me. I personally was accepted to all but 2 out of 10 schools, Penn and Duke, where I was waitlisted. I was accepted from the Duke waitlist last week, although I am sticking to my original decision of Northwestern, which was my second choice all along (Penn was my first choice and the ONLY Ivy I applied to - I had no interest whatsoever in attending HYPSM, or Berkeley, although I was accepted). I also turned down an offer from JHU BME. I am a valedictorian, but there are 24 in the entire school - all with 4.0 UW GPAs (we don’t rank or weight), and I’ve taken a pretty rigorous courseload.</p>
<p>All in all, I am extremely pleased with how things have turned out. What, is Northwestern not “prestigious” enough for you? The point I was trying to make with my prior post is that 1) you can’t expect that just because you’re good enough to get into UM, you’re good enough to get into a top private. Admissions are becoming more and more of a crapshoot these days. And 2) sometimes the college that is right for someone is not always the one that makes the MOST sense financially.</p>
<p>csqaure goes to one of the top public schools that have around 40 valedictorian (Straight A 4.0 GPA student).
My thinking was many students actually endup taking lighter courses in order to maintain the 4.0 GPA.</p>
<p>So wanted to verify if that is the case with csqaure as her stats look great except the Curriculumn which I’ve no indication of.</p>