<p>IvyHope, What’s more important to you - Your child’s happiness or “prestige” and money?</p>
<p>Well maybe the another public high school area has “better” people in the sense that they are more friendly and can play sports.</p>
<p>(Sorry if it offended Berkeley students - I want to go there myself, so it wasn’t flame or anything)</p>
<p>For me money is not the question and my daughter happiness is but why she will choose U-M when there are equally good UC’s in california.</p>
<p>I would like to provide good education but with practical sense too. It might be foolish to do what I depict as part of the high school example.
If the family or the child is so much interested in U-M because of the people there then they are better off living in U-M area during the senior year itself.</p>
<p>As will be the advise to the parent of child wanting to go to another public high school as if the high schools are similar calibar then housing prices will be same and moving from one area to another won’t be any issue.</p>
<p>There is a point at which a parent is not letting the child do their own jobs, and that is very different from not being involved at all</p>
<p>to make the comparrisons you did poih, is not even relevant, and interesting</p>
<p>We are not saying do nothing, that is YOUR words, it isn’t an all or nothing processs, HOWEVER, it is a process where the student should guide…read some other posts on this site, you will see many kids who applied to schools because of pressure from parents, and are very unhappy</p>
<p>There is a place in the middle, yes indeed, between doing nothing, and being overly invovled…not the all or nothing you seem to think</p>
<p>UCB is about equal instate to UM OOS. UCLA instate might be a little easier than UM OOS. UM OOS is a little easier than NU, Cornell etc. UM has many areas as good as those at NU, Cornell etc. Admissions difficulty is not the only measure of quality.</p>
<p>Barrons: That does make sense if UCB instate is about equal to UM-OOS. Then a student might be able to apply thinking if not UCB then U-M.</p>
<p>If admissions difficulty is not a measure of quality then what should be a measure of quality for the first preliminary list.</p>
<p>It is not possible for us to visit all 100 colleges so the preliminary list is pretty much based on college stats as presented by 3rd parties.</p>
<p>“4. So then why student should waste time, energy effort to consider U-M instead of other good private colleges as the tuition is going to be same and the chances of the student to get into U-M and those private colleges are same.”</p>
<p>Please reread oldolddad’s post #82 concerning the possibility of merit aid covering as much as OOS tuition, R&B, books & personal expenses at UMichigan. There are many Department and College wide scholarships at UMichigan for all students, including OOS. </p>
<p>For those that have done their homework, UMichigan is one of a handfull of the very selective schools (public & private) that offers excellent academics and the possibility of substantial merit awards.</p>
<p>That said, as most posters have stated: one size does not fill all. The size, location, school culture, etc. must also fit a students needs.</p>
<p>And some people really LIKE U-M…</p>
<p>Sometimes it is a matter of comfort, personal preference, etc that propels a student to certain schools</p>
<p>My D, when she made her final decision, looked at accessibility for the ECs she liked- newspapers, radio, etc.,</p>
<p>Wow just because a school is more selective does NOT make it “better.” This whole process is about FIT. Your daughter can be just as successful as a Michigan grad than as a Yale/Berkeley grad.</p>
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<p>I recall there being a top 25 school (I think U-Chicago?) having a rather large acceptance rate, but that’s only because of a self selective group of students that want to go there.</p>
<p>First preliminary list? I’d find places that I might enjoy to be at.</p>
<p>I’m not sure if I can buy the arguments provided in favor of U-M over UCs.</p>
<p>Because if I start looking at the public schools outside California then why will I leave U. Illinois, U. Wisconsins, U. of Austin etc.</p>
<p>As from the replies it seems to make a lot of sense to restrict lists of colleges, then it is very logical for students from california to apply to UCs and look for private colleges out of states.</p>
<p>Looking at the public universities out of state doesn’t provide any additional advantage to students of california that have the best public University system in USA.</p>
<p>Sorry I even wasted my breath.</p>
<p>they like what they see in UM…</p>
<p>I mean Cal has good schools, but not everyone will like all the schools.</p>
<p>I really like to talk about facts and figures:</p>
<p>This is our neighborhood public high school profile for this year. There has not been a single matriculation to U-M in the last 3 years. The school has a strength of > 500 students in senior class and is one of the top 10 public high schools in california.</p>
<p>I can look at the profiles of other high schools in the area and hope to see a similar situation. </p>
<p>Where are they now? Besides our UC, CSU and community college-bound students, our
graduates over the past three years are attending…
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<p>I don’t think people are trying to argue that U-M is particularly better than UC choices.</p>
<p>They are simply stating that not everyone agrees with you that it’s unjustified to apply there if you’re a California resident.</p>
<p>This is from another nearby public High school
Attended by the Class of 2006</p>
<pre><code> California Public Out of State
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<p>UC Berkeley 41 Arizona State 3
UC Davis 40 Brigham Young Univ 1
UC Irvine 42 Brown 2
UC Los Angeles 37 Carnegie Mellon 5
UC Merced 1 Case Western Reserve 1
UC Riverside 14 Cornell Univ 5
UC San Diego 48 Duke Univ 3
UC Santa Barbara 14 East Carolina University 1
UC Santa Cruz 12 Harvard Univ 4
John Hopkins 2
Cal Poly Pomona 4 Lenoir-Rhyne College 1
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo 11 Macalaster College 2
CSU Chico 3 Maryland Institute of Art 1
CSU Fullerton 2 MIT 1
CSU Long Beach 2 North Carolina State 1
CSU Monterey Bay 1 Oberlin 1
CSU Sacramento 1 Olin College 1
SCU San Marcos 2 Purdue Univ 3
San Diego State 9 Rhode Island School of<br>
San Francisco State 7 Design 1
San Jose State 13 Rice University 1
Sonoma State 2 Savannah College of Art<br>
& Design 1
De Anza 93 Swarthmore 2
Foothill 4 Tuskegee University 1
San Diego City 1 Univ of Arizona 2
San Diego Mesa 1 Univ of Illinois,<br>
San Jose City 1 Urbana-Champaign 2
Santa Barbara City 2 Univ of Missouri,<br>
Santa Monica City 1 Columbia 1
Sonoma City 1 Univ of Oregon 1
West Valley College 4 Univ of Pennsylvania 4
Univ of Puget Sound 1
California Private Univ of Rochester 1
Univ of Washington 3
Art Institute of California 1 Wesleyan University 1
Harvey Mudd College 2<br>
Laguna College of Art<br>
& Design 1<br>
Santa Clara Univ 4 Out of Country<br>
Stanford Univ 4<br>
Univ of San Francisco 2 Universities in Canada,<br>
Univ of Southern California 7 India and Japan 4
Univ of the Pacific 2</p>
<p>Many have said there are lot of California students in U-M I’ve looked up at the profile at many of top public high school in my area None seems to have any one matriculating to U-M.</p>
<p>So then most of the people who are posting on this forum are out of sync with the reality or talking rehtorics.</p>
<p>It doesn’t make sense for students living in California to apply to U-M considering joining is totally wrong.</p>
<p>you can’t take statistics and shoehorn your child into them – it just doesn’t work. Other students choose schools based on their criteria – what everyone is trying to say is that prestige and name recognition should not be on that list of criteria.</p>
<p>Here what I was listing is not prestige and name recognition as the criteria.</p>
<p>It is just plain logic and realistic practical approach. With such a good public University system at hand why will anyone try to look for another public univeristy out of state.</p>
<p>It does make sense to look at other private university but why at other public universities out of state.</p>
<p>Matriculation at so many public and private high school just second that notion.</p>
<p>It seems in reality most of the californian actually think and do the same but some how on the board the people opinion is different…</p>
<p>You really can’t get this into your can you.</p>
<p>SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST HAPPIER AT UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN THAN BERKELEY.</p>
<p>I’m not even going to try anymore.</p>
<p>If I were a California student applying to colleges, I might apply to UM in the following circumstances – </p>
<p>money was absolutely no object and I just liked UM better</p>
<p>I planned to work in the upper midwest area after college graduation</p>
<p>I moved to Cali from Michigan and really want to go back</p>
<p>I particularly like a certain department </p>
<p>I hate Cali weather and want to have some snow, and cold, and rain, and …</p>
<p>I want to get away from my parents</p>
<p>I do not want to go to school where all my friends/classmates are going</p>
<p>I have good friends that attend Michigan</p>
<p>I love the Michigan sports teams – rah, rah!</p>
<p>I visited the UM campus and felt like I had come home – I knew it was for me</p>
<p>My parents graduated from UM</p>
<p>I got a scholarship to UM</p>
<p>I could think of more reasons, but that is a start.</p>