<p>jakem333, im laughing at your post right now bc you probably think im some straight edge, 4.0, study-all-the-time and never party person.</p>
<p>i said that about underagers bc i know from 1st hand experience, obviously. also its the only logical conclusion i could come up with for why so many people i know binge drink. they dont know when theyll be able to break the rules and drink again. rebel without a cause, anyone?</p>
<p>not everyone on here is straight edged. the ‘work hard’ mentality of CC often goes hand in hand with ‘play hard’.</p>
<p>ANcooky, on the whole power hungry opposition television thing:
RCTV, the station that the government let their license expire, RCTV was an active participant in the White House sponsored CIA backed coup that tried to oust ch</p>
<p>I think that is sometimes necessary in a place where instability is possible. People are just so friggin biased against anything even relatively socialistic. Even the policies of John Edwards (who I really hope takes the White House b/c of his economic/health care/union stances) were bashed by people like Giuliani for being “socialistic” . Our own nation was formed after a bloody revolution and presidents like Adams with his Alien and Sedition acts were sure as hell careful to keep stability and a large government presence. When the shoe is on the other foot we criticize. Kind of hypocritical. A polling group had Venezuela as the 2nd most democratic place in South America. </p>
<p>All leaders have flaws, especially leaders who have the potential for greatness. I do not think anyone can call him an evil man though, we just need to be a little bit openminded and take what our “president” says with a grain of salt and think for ourselves.</p>
<p>Collegelyfe,
i’m not necessarily saying i think all the people, including yourself, on CC are straightedge. I actually tried to word my post in a way that total straightedgers are the minority, which i think is true. </p>
<p>Anyways, i’ve never heard of an underage kid (myself included) that drinks because they want to break rules. Maybe we just know different poeple.</p>
<p>People drink because they want to. I see no problem as long as you know what’s happening around you. Running from alcohol and complaining about people who drink is just plain immature. Don’t wanna? Just say no and leave it at that.</p>
<p>One could make the argument that alcohol negatively affects the entire college experience for those who want to be in a purely academic environment. It’s just obnoxious when you’re in class and you hear the person behind you saying “Oh man… we were so drunk last night”. Being around drunk people constantly is really mentally straining for those of us who don’t drink, so it’s not like we can just turn our back and completely ignore this issue.</p>
<p>For those of us who it really bothers, we take our anger out upon the people who do drink (i.e. the people who disrupt our ideal environment). This is the same reason why religious people can take their anger out on homosexuals - we can’t do anything about the problem, but we can sure as hell blame people and cast other people off as inferior if they disrupt our wishes.</p>
<p>Whether such a thing exists is irrelevant. People who drink (in large amounts) decrease the seriousness (and ‘purity’) of an intellectual environment. Why shouldn’t this be criticized?</p>
<p>The university system was set up to be a place of learning. When people who drink all the time disrupt this environment, I don’t see why they shouldn’t be scolded for it. These drinkers are the main reason why our university system has become a place of non-intellectual fun rather than a place of learning. It’s not just the drinkers who are at fault of course, and moderate drinking really doesn’t have much of an effect.</p>
<p>People can still learn even if they drink you know… I’ve had no problem learning things and still having a good time on the weekends. I don’t see how other people’s drinking disrupts YOUR learning, unless you are sensitive to the least little non-academic thing being talked about.</p>
<p>University students all through history have been known as partiers. And what is to be expected when tens of thousands of adolescents are rounded up and stuck together with little to no parent supervision? Be realistic.</p>
<p>I’m not saying that it’s avoidable. I’m just questioning why people shouldn’t be angry with the people doing it. You could also make the argument that when a large people get together, there’s bound to be instances of drinking and driving. Well, of course this is unavoidable, but why shouldn’t we argue against drinking and driving and why shouldn’t we be angry with the people who do it? If they drink and drive, they infringe on other people’s rights to a safe environment. Sure, just drinking isn’t endangering people as much, but it is infringing on their right to an academic environment. It is thus not something that can and should be ignored.</p>
<p>Note that I’m not making the argument that people who drink are necessarily bad, and I’m not taking the anti-drinker’s point of view by saying that drinkers are idiots or whatever. I’m just saying that people have the right to be mad, and by saying that they are narrow-minded by being anti-drinking is being very narrow-minded yourself.</p>
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<p>You sound like you may have had a bit too much drink tonight. -_-</p>
<p>I think people know what they’re getting into if they go to a party school/big state school (generally the same thing) and shouldn’t expect to get a completely academic environment 24/7. That’s sort of ridiculous even for like, Ivies. People have to blow off steam from studying/classes/academics somehow, and what better way than getting completely snockered one night?</p>
<p>Yes, but there’s a difference between ‘one night’ and ‘every night’. It seems like people nowadays, even at “elite” institutions, are drinking all the time, and this really has an effect on non-drinkers who want to be in a non-party environment. And it’s not like you can avoid it. This drinking/party atmosphere is often ubiquitous around campus.</p>
<p>I agree with some of what phuriku says. Even though I don’t drink because it serves no real purpose that you can’t get from somewhere else in a less destructive way, I feel it is everyones right to drink as much as they want. Go get drunk every night of the week slowly destroying your body for the sake of fun. Its your body, so I don’t and shouldn’t care.</p>
<p>But my main and mostly only problem with people, especially in a college setting is that their drinking problems, become my problems. Thats when I have issues. I don’t care if you are so drunk you can’t see straight as long as you come into the dorm at 4 in the morning quietly, change quietly, and you get in your bed quietly. I shouldn’t hear you at all, because I have to wake up for my 8am class in the morning.</p>
<p>But when you come in talking loud as hell, knocking **** all over the place, throwing up all loud, and pass out in the middle of the floor, is when I have problems.</p>
<p>People should be criticized for waking up or keeping up multiple people at 3 in the morning. As a speaker at my college said “you can have fun at college, but you didn’t come to have fun at college”. Moderate drinking is having fun at college. Drinking till your drunk and disturbing others is another thing. These people came to have fun in college and seem to not respect that college is a learning environment. A lot of people came to not have fun and games and make friends(even though that is a sad life), but to only study, get their degree, and go. And that is the main and only purpose of college, to get your degree and go. A lot of time alcohol ruins that for many people.</p>
<p>If people could just keep to themselves I bet the complaints about alcohol would decrease tenfold. People wouldn’t really care how much someone destroyed their body(except really nosy and religious people that think alcohol is evil) if it just didn’t effect them. A lot of peoples problem is when a family that lives close to a campus has to call the police on a house party every weekend just so their children can go to sleep. Or when people do dumb **** like drink and drive. Or when people are disruptive of their roommates. Ohhh I could go one forever but you get the point.</p>
<p>For me as long as I don’t see or hear it, I don’t give a ****!</p>