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<p>To be fair, since when has that stopped anyone? :rolleyes:</p>
<p>i know Mr. myagi was from karate kid. what i ment was that phase “what are u going to do about it, Mr. Myagi” was directly from Harold and Kumar goes to white castle.</p>
<p>as for for the discrimination thing, my point was that in any place that ppl have contact with asian americans must have seen some form of discrimination, but just don’t see it. hey view it as funny or not an insult when it is. and as for ur soon to be inlaw asian family, it depends if they are first generation to some extent. also, u have to remember that in asian countries, face, pride and honor is very important. and any past transgretions will not be discussed lightly, and even with close families. </p>
<p>i know my dad rarely talks bout the times that he’s gone through when he stepped of the plane in the late 80’s. </p>
<p>not talking bout slavery per say. i am talking about the “hidden slavery”, ways that silently push asians to live a set way of life using tatics in encomics and education and sterotypeing. here’s a good site: <a href=“http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/soc/355lect10.htm[/url]”>http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/soc/355lect10.htm</a></p>
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<p>I can honestly say that any discrimination I’ve experienced has been slight at best. Granted, I haven’t had much time with the Korean community in LA, which tends to have it harder than the Chinese community. But keep in mind that I don’t necessarily buy into the monolithic “Asian” label. </p>
<p>Oh, and believe me, I know plenty about “Asian” countries, having lived in one for a considerable amount of time. But to say that “Asian countries” have such distinct similarities is silly. The difference between Indian and Japanese culture is VAST.</p>
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<p>Your dad ≠ everyone. My father-in-law (for the sake of simplicity, I’ll omit future) is quite open with the fact that he has at least a suspicion that he was subject to a glass ceiling at his work. Whether it was for his ethnicity or his accent, he can’t say. However, there’s very little in the way of lack of communication about social issues, even familial, with anyone in my girlfriend’s family.</p>
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<p>Hidden slavery? C’mon…You’re really stretching the term there.</p>
<p>And with all due respect to Prof. O’Connor, I think he’s FAR too vague with his use of the title “Asian-American.” Does he mean Asians in America that are 1st generation, or those born in America?</p>
<p>I mean, statements like this:</p>
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<p>are just horrifically bad. I somehow doubt that ANY of my Asian-American friends have any trouble with the US court system and how it works.</p>
<p>yes, i know there are differences in asians countries, and i can’t speak for india because i am not from there. but as a whole, most asian countries have the same views regarding honor, face, pride, etc.</p>
<p>of course i know my what my father experienced isn’t what every asian experienced. but i cant possibly name all the names down can i? i do know tho, he told me a story about a resturant that he worked for and it kept getting harress by racist punk kids/adults. so one night, the owner (ex-chinese army) got some friends together and some guns and drove by their hang outs and screamed like crazy and fired shots in the air. from that day on. there was no problem. </p>
<p>i didn’t get what u said by “However, there’s very little in the way of lack of communication about social issues, even familial, with anyone in my girlfriend’s family.”</p>
<p>are u saying they don’t talk bout those things or then do?</p>
<p>good arguements, keep them up
ps. is it pretty late where ur at?</p>
<p>And with all due respect to Prof. O’Connor, I think he’s FAR too vague with his use of the title “Asian-American.” Does he mean Asians in America that are 1st generation, or those born in America?</p>
<p>I mean, statements like this:</p>
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<p>are just horrifically bad. I somehow doubt that ANY of my Asian-American friends have any trouble with the US court system and how it works."</p>
<p>he has to be talking bout 1st generation. i have to explain the legal process to my parents. </p>
<p>and also if they are 2nd generation asians, they would ahve known about teh law and it’s workings through required high school politics and history and bill of rights. etc</p>
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<p>I dunno about that, man. My experiences have demonstrated that the Chinese and Japanese have a VERY hard time agreeing on honor, pride, etc. At least when it comes to recent history. </p>
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<p>They do talk. Remember, keeping things “in the family” is not limited to Asians by any means. I mean, just watch “Meet the Parents” and you can see how that applies to even your so-called “WASP” family.</p>
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<p>California, so it’s 12:48. I’m studying for a final anyway…</p>
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<p>I dunno. He’s awfully vague about his terminology. Either way, I know plenty of 1st geners who are attorneys or otherwise quite well-versed in how our rather odd court system works.</p>
<p>what a heated argument!</p>
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<p>Describe these * ways *.</p>
<p>From a “smart” Asian’s pov:</p>
<p>People think of me as intelligent first and Asian second. However, I’m pretty much on my own at school. There is one other “smart Asian” at my school (out of 1500 students, 8% Asian). All the rest are normal. It just depends on where you are in order to gauge discrimination against Asians</p>
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<p>To demonstrate how minorities are susceptible to stereotypes:</p>
<p>I just recently watched a Barbara Walters interview with Sean Connery where he reaffirmed his prior statement about how it was okay to use some force against women to essentially put them in their place. I was pretty blown away at the fact that in this day and age, a major star like Connery could go on national TV and make such a backwards statement. If he felt like that in his heart, then fine, that’s his personal flaw, but to make such a public statement? And yet, where’s the backlash? I hear women declare their adoration of Scottish accents and how Scottish men are so desirable, despite the fact that the biggest Scottish export in America is known to hold such undesirable views on women as approving women-beating. </p>
<p>Now imagine a black person said that. Or better yet, an Asian person. Asians are constantly stereotyped as having a rigidly patriarchal society, which to some extent is true, but their societies have rapidly changed in the modern world. Yet I can hardly open a “world history” book without some mention of foot-binding in the Chinese section. I’ve read internet horror stories about how “educated” Asian women automatically rule out dating Asian guys simply because of the stereotype that they will be forced to become housewives and babymakers (these women will never get to know the real Asian men behind the stereotypes because they have discriminated against their own throughout their lives). Now, you’d think they’d be as discriminating against a guy with a Scottish accent? Probably not.</p>
<p>My point is that in American society, when a white person messes up, he messes up his own name, or at most, his own family. But when a minority messes up, especially an invisible minority like Asians, they automatically come to represent their entire (in the case of Asians, over 3 billion) group. And American society loves to focus on the negative stereotypes.</p>
<p>nbachris (can I just call you Chris?),</p>
<p>I think you overlook a few things.</p>
<p>For one, there WAS a backlash against Connery for his comments. In fact, it was a huge media uproar…in 1987. But then again, people have short memories, and Connery’s largely been out of the spotlight. I’m willing to guarantee that if a currently popular actor had said it, it would have been a GIANT issue. </p>
<p>And I don’t know that you aren’t sorta kinda connecting dots that can’t be connected. In any country’s mindset, it seems quite normal to attribute minorities with negative characteristics. Heck, the Japanese do it to a FAR greater extent than Americans could hope to achieve.</p>
<p>Of course, this isn’t an excuse for American problems with minorities, but it is important to recognize that this isn’t uniquely American.</p>
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<p>And find me an American history book that doesn’t discuss American treatment of natives, blacks, or women. Your point? I don’t really see how the discussion of history, good or bad, is indicative of much.</p>
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<p>Yes, of course I know the xenophobic sentiments of the Japanese. But I don’t live in Japan. </p>
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<p>I think you’re making the common mistake usually made by those in power, that is to say to minorities, “Hey, we make fun of ourselves too, so we should be able to do the same to you.” </p>
<p>Yes, American history books shed light on injustices made by Americans, but they sure spend a lot of time on the good parts as well. For every story about how European colonists mistreated Natives, there’s probably one to counter, like how Lincoln freed the slaves. But from my experience, the study of history beyond the Western world (at least at the standard high school level) rarely goes beyond tokenism, and usual revels in such exotic fancies as hookahs and foot-binding. I guess only Western European/American history has the right to be boring, thus normal.</p>
<p>I don’t know that that’s true, though. My Chinese history class was largely focused on the good, and foot-binding was a very very small side issue.</p>
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<p>Yeah, that’s me. In power. :rolleyes: Not like Jews ever experienced discrimination in the US. No siree. </p>
<p>I just think that you need to look at this in relative terms. You can’t just look at treatment of history in one country and say it stinks. You should compare and contrast treatments of history in various countries.</p>
<p>And having taught in Japan, oh man are we better at teaching history in the US…at least better than Japan. I don’t hear such great things about the Chinese system, either. Something about Maoist revisionism.</p>
<p>Oh, and don’t jump down my throat saying that I’m excusing poorly written history. I’m not. I’m saying that context matters.</p>
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<p>I never said YOU were in power, I just said that I thought that you were making the same mistake as those who are in power.</p>
<p>As a Jew, how do you feel when people classify Jews as whites? Rather recently, an Israeli foreign minister made a speech about how Israel and Australia were sister nations in that they were white nations in Asian territories. IMHO, I think that was a very odd statement to make considering how much Jews have “benefited” from the ideology of white supremacy.</p>
<p>Asians are Jews. Jews are Asians. There is no arguing about it. </p>
<p>Your parents scream/beat you if you don’t get hundreds on your tests. And hell most of you don’t even have passion for the EC’s you do. You do them because your mommy and daddys told you to do them, and quite frankly I think it’s f’ing hilarious…</p>
<p>This is the reason why I propose the loser-0-meter as huge part of the admission process. </p>
<p>I live in New York, I know what I’m talking about when it comes to this subject.</p>
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<p>Did I seriously miss something?</p>
<p>LOL! No you didn’t, was reading the second page and saw something posted about that and just gave me opinion… :(</p>
<p>Chris,</p>
<p>I’m comfortable with being white. I mean, just as many white supremacists have gone after Catholics, but I don’t hear too many Irish trying to disavow themselves of being white.</p>
<p>kreeker, I get what you mean by that Asians and Jews are the same lol </p>
<p>I remmeber getting in trouble for have an A-.</p>