<p>When the whites compete with blacks and hispanics they are against Affirmative Action and insist that only grades and test scores should matter. When they compete against Asians they say that they should look at the whole person. All whites want is white privilege, and they will get it. Twenty years from now, the dumbed down and less qualified whites would still be supervising the better qualified and smarter Asians, and would be still complaining about affirmative action, outsourcing and “immigrants” (by this they would mean every person of Asian origin) taking away their jobs and the complainers would be the next genaration of Lou Dobbs.</p>
<p>“they are against Affirmative Action and insist that only grades and test scores should matter”</p>
<p>How are these two related? Affirmative Action doesn’t look at the whole person, just the race.</p>
<p>"kreeker, I get what you mean by that Asians and Jews are the same lol </p>
<p>I remmeber getting in trouble for have an A-."</p>
<p>Are you seriously a weak enough person that someone makes a charged racist remak against your race/faith, and you choose to agree and laugh? People like you make me sicker than the actual racists, who are just disregarded by most. I’m a Jew with a 2350 who gets all Bs. I think I probably could get A’s if my parents beat me…</p>
<p>How does affirmative action help colleges/employers have a better look at a person? If anything, AA throws people into categories, and encourages generalization of races.</p>
<p>He’s black? So he must be underprivileged. Give him a scholarship, admit him to this school, give him this job.
He’s white? He must have been a rich, spoiled brat. Screw his grades, they don’t reflect his personality.</p>
<p>I say suck it up and deal with it. If you dont want to get your butt off that computer seat and start a petition or a rebellion or hell, even a revolution. Just dont complain about Big issues like this online and expect support from all directions.</p>
<p>This subject is so overrated.</p>
<p>"kreeker, I get what you mean by that Asians and Jews are the same lol </p>
<p>I remmeber getting in trouble for have an A-."</p>
<p>Are you seriously a weak enough person that someone makes a charged racist remak against your race/faith, and you choose to agree and laugh? People like you make me sicker than the actual racists, who are just disregarded by most. I’m a Jew with a 2350 who gets all Bs. I think I probably could get A’s if my parents beat me… </p>
<p>koolcrud, I don’t know if you took it in thw context that I was. i thought he was saying that Azns and Jews are the same in the fact that their parents are both really strict about grades and stuff. </p>
<p>i didn’t view it as a racist comment, trust me, if I did, I would have been the first one to say **** back.</p>
<p>I think that in general, people fear what they do not know. In my D’s school, which is more than 25% Asian, the Asian kids are very insular. The majority do not mix with the other kids, and many actively exclude white kids. I’ll never forget my daughter feeling very hurt by a person she considered a good friend, who was having a big party. She told my daughter that it was an Asian party, and she would only be invited if some Asian kids couldn’t make it. My D also felt very out of place in honors classes, which were in large part Asian. The kids didn’t talk to her and didn’t want to work with her on group projects. All very surprising to me. My daughter felt this exclusion keenly, and as a result defended a Tourette’s Disorder sufferer in her school that no one would sit with at lunch. She dragged a whole table of kids over to sit with him, and they stayed together all year. I’ve brought my kids up to not discriminate, and it stings to have them be the subjects of discrimination. I think, though, that being on the receiving end of a little discrimination as a white person is a good character builder. It happened to me during college. I was in a class—Asian studies—because I was facinated with Japanese culture and poetry. It was the only class I ever dropped in college, because I felt so hated. (I only lasted a few weeks, lol) I was one of only 3 non-Asian people in the class, and boy, was that uncomfortable! The anger in that room was palpable. It stemmed from a hundred years of discrimination in this country against Asians. These issues are so complicated, even for adults. It’s no wonder that high school and college kids struggle with it. I wish that all kids had the experience of discrimination, and that what they took from it was more tolerance, not more anger. (Naive, I know) How about some of you kids on this thread make that effort, and look for your similarities and not your differences? You’re all here in the same “college admissions” boat with the same worries and hopes. Yea, we have slightly different cultures. Try to learn from each other.</p>
<p>Wow…that so does not sound like what I grew up with in LA…incredible.</p>
<p>It was almost as if you were describing a different country! I was a Japanese minor, and was ALWAYS made welcome in all of my classes. Heck, I TEACH Asian history, and there’s never a feeling of hate.</p>
<p>Except when I give back grades, I suppose. ;)</p>
<p>Yea, surprising, isn’t it? We live in NJ now, but my college experience was in Manhattan in the '70’s.</p>
<p>I’d like to think that we’ve made great strides since the 1970s, but if your daughter’s experience is indicative of the greater US, then I don’t know.</p>
<p>Are you sure that your daughter just isn’t uncool? 
I kid.</p>
<p>Yea I think its stupid how asians stick together and then someplain about stuff like this.</p>
<p>btw I’m asian. I have a diverse group of friends. It fun that way. I hate hanging out with those nerds who talk about math, science problems.</p>
<p>i totally agree with you krnpsychopath. i dont like hanging out with my indian friends all the time.</p>
<p>dumbstruck1089 and krnpsychopath, I agree with both of you; hanging out with people of your own race all the time can get tiresome…</p>
<p>I am armenian, and where I come from (Glendale, Ca), almost all armenians are really into cars (and themselves :)). I myself don’t feel one way or another about cars, so I usually surround myself with a more diverse group. What really bugs me is that sometimes get criticized by other armenians for “turning my back on my race”.</p>
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<p>Ughh - bobbo clearly doesn’t know what the heck he is talking about.</p>
<p>First of all, there is no “top student” criteria for immigration from Asia (wouldn’t make sense, since most younger Asian-Americans either came here as little kids or were born here).</p>
<p>Second, there is a perception in many Asian countries that Asian-Ams couldn’t or wouldn’t be able to “hack it” in the more rigorous academic environment in Asia to get into the elite universities there.</p>
<p>Third, a good portion of Asian-Ams were refugees of war from SE Asia (not exactly conditions conducive to producing “top students”).</p>
<p>Fourth, the whole inventions/scientific theories is a poor indicator of intelligence (after all, Europe at one point was the back-water of civilization with Asia and the Middle East significantly ahead in math/science/technology). Btw, after the US (where a good portion of technological advancements requiring patents have been developed by non-white Americans), the country which has filed the largest no. of international patents annually is Japan. South Korea is 6th and is expected to pass the UK and France soon (and China, in time, will be a juggernaught).</p>
<p>But basically, Asians or Asian-Ams aren’t necessarily smarter than any other group - they just put a great value on education (just like Jews and certain other groups).</p>
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<p>Right… (I’m sure bobbo has been affected by media stereotypes).</p>
<p>Media stereotypes, notwithstanding what bobbo thinks, are powerful. All of us are influenced heavily by the media (or by our peers, who, in turn, are influenced by the media) whether we realize it or not.</p>
<p>Most Asians (particularly AMs) in films do play stereotypical roles - usually marital artist or some geeky foreign exchange student (Asian-Am males don’t seem to exist in films).</p>
<p>On network television, it’s marginally better for AMs - but most AM characters have been foreigners, geeky or gay. Exacerbating this problem is the fact that virtually every single AF (TV shows, commercials) is partnered with a non-AM male (Hollywood is a male-dominated industry; male roles outnumber female role for all groups EXCEPT for Asian-Ams - where there are more female roles).</p>
<p>If stereotypes/bias don’t exist - why does every major news market (NYC, LA, SF, Chicago) and pretty much every national cable news network (CNN, MSNBC, etc.) have numerous Asian-Am female anchors but no Asian-Am anchors?</p>
<p>Basically - media stereotypes is a form of advertising, and we all know companies/politicians wouldn’t spend BILLIONS of $$$ if it didn’t work.</p>
<p>And oh, these stereotypes do translate into the world of college admissions.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=268768&page=50[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=268768&page=50</a></p>
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<p>To be fair though, 99% of those are on software algorithms for horseracing anime video games, so it’s not like they really count. I kid. At least 80% are though. 10% are for new techniques in insutanto raamen, and the other 10% are for new drugs that are actually just 20-year-old drugs finally being let into Japan.</p>
<p>I’m not bitter about living in rural Japan. No way. </p>
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<p>“We now go to Asian correspondent, Trisha Takenawa…”</p>
<p>I think the real question should be: why do [insert race here] discriminate against [insert race here]?</p>
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<p>And half those American patents are for a longer lasting hot dog =p.</p>
<p>You know what else sucks?</p>
<p>How people like to assume that whites all discriminate/profile. That’s not to say NONE do, and when they do, it is without a doubt wrong, but most (like me) don’t. What you’re kind of doing is profiling whites as people who profile others and think they’re better than everyone else, which is only true for a select few. It’s the same thing, but instead of labeling them as criminals or geniuses, you’re labeling them as racists. Just getting that out there.</p>
<p>oh yeah…and SOME asians do tend to just stick with their circle of fellow asians (as do other races- whites included). If they only tried branching out, I’m sure they’d find the rest of the world to be perfectly welcoming. Often it’s their little hangups, not everyone else’s.</p>
<p>because they’re jealous haha</p>