S24 applied to both OOS and in state (CA) public flagships. So far he got accepted to great OOS Engineer schools such as TAMU, tOSU, UW and etc. Some of them even offer merit. All his rejections were from in state such as UCI, UCSD, UCLA, UCD (waitlisted), CP SLO (likely reject). I learned that acceptance rate are higher for OOS students for UC and SLO, because of OOS student have lower yield rate. And UC and SLO also need the OOS tuition to support in state students. What about if I am willing to pay OOS tuition for S24 if they would consider S24 from OOS pool? I would have to pay OOS tuition anyway for S24 to attend other state’s public flagships. I wish there is such an option for UC and SLO admission 
While I understand the premise, what I’m reading is that the UCs are targeting more in state, not out of state students - and at that price tag, the OOS will not have a high yield.
My question would be - did you apply to UCR, UCM, etc.
Acceptances at the other UCs is certainly more competitive than the very fin3 schools you mentioned out of state. Those are great names but also have higher acceptance rates.
I’m not sure that going in as an OOS student would have enhanced your chances.
Perhaps I’m wrong but based on what I see, I’m not seeing it.
Congrats on the opportunities your student has. Those are fantastic names - and if they’re affordable, it’s a big win. The student can come back to CA if they want after graduation.
If you wanted to be considered an out of state student for tuition purposes, you would have needed to move…out of California. But even with that, there is no guarantee your son would have been accepted to the CA colleges you listed.
Did your son apply to any private universities in CA?
It sounds like he has options you can afford OOS. Is that correct?
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Thank you for the response. S24 also got accepted to SDSU, CPP, UCR. They are good schools and S24 can stay in CA if he choose to. I am kind of frustrating about all these UC rejections. In UW thread, I see parents there are frustrating too how their kids got accepted to UCI, UCD and SLO, but rejected by UW. Therefore, I am thinking is this same situation like in CA? Because OOS students paying more, so easier to admit there. If so, maybe an option to pay OOS tuition for in state student should be there in college admission.
Depends on the major at UW, etc. Note UW and UC both - no tests - which also will impact. You’ve got great opportunities - and that’s all that matters. Best of luck to your student.
UC admit rates for most of the campuses is higher for OOS applicants but the applicant pool is usually self selecting due to the higher OOS costs and a higher bar for admission (no extra Honors points for OOS Honors courses) along with a mandated 18% cap on OOS/International enrollment. The OOS applicant pool is usually 1/4 of the CA in-state applicant pool so less competition.
2023 Freshman admit rates (Preliminary Data from UCOP)
| Campus | OVERALL | CA RESIDENT | OUT OF STATE | INTERNATIONAL |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Berkeley | 11.6% | 14.4% | 7.8% | 5.2% |
| Davis | 41.8% | 36.3% | 60% | 49.8% |
| Irvine | 25.7% | 20.4% | 47.4% | 32.5% |
| Los Angeles | 8.8% | 9.5% | 8.6% | 6.1% |
| Merced | 88.3% | 95% | 80.9% | 69% |
| Riverside | 70.3% | 68.7% | 87.2% | 81.4% |
| San Diego | 24.7% | 24.5% | 31.8% | 17.8% |
| Santa Barbara | 27.9% | 28.1% | 32.7% | 21.9% |
| Santa Cruz | 62.7% | 60.4% | 81.3% | 61.1% |
UC Yield rates by Residency.
| Campus | OVERALL | CA RESIDENT | OUT OF STATE | INTERNATIONAL |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Berkeley | 46% | 50% | 29% | 54% |
| Davis | 18% | 23% | 8% | 14% |
| Irvine | 22% | 29% | 9% | 14% |
| Los Angeles | 50% | 59% | 33% | 34% |
| Merced | 9% | 10% | 0% | 1% |
| Riverside | 15% | 17% | 5% | 7% |
| San Diego | 21% | 26% | 9% | 17% |
| Santa Barbara | 17% | 20% | 10% | 16% |
| Santa Cruz | 12% | 15% | 6% | 5% |
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Thank you tsbna44. You always give good advices 
Thank you for stat. S24 is pretty cool with the results. He has a few school options he like. Just me getting frustrated as a parent seeing all these rejections from my own state within one week. 
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I think you are reading way too much into this. You have NO idea why your son or anyone else was accepted to any college OR why they were rejected. You just don’t know.
You are speculating that IF you paid more your son would have gotten accepted, but fact is…you have no way to know if this would happen…or not.
And as noted…he has some good acceptances from which to choose.
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Very understandable since we live in a state with a large population of high achieving students. Your son has some great options including CPP(alumni) and SDSU (son attended).
Actually, some admit-by-stats colleges do publish their admission thresholds after the fact (e.g. SJSU; CPP provides some information). Still others have publicly announced automatic admission criteria so that many applicants can know that they will be admitted before they even apply (Arizona State being one obvious example).
This parent did not list these colleges with auto admission criteria. The schools their student was not accepted to do NOT have auto admissions…at all. Therefore, there is no way for them to know why this student didn’t get accepted, or why others did. That was my point.
This!
The OOS acceptance rate may look higher but it is far more competitive than IS admissions because a large pool of qualified candidates are competing for a small number of seats.
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It just feels odd that S24 got accepted OOS to the top Eng public flagships in Washington, Oregon, Arizona, Texas, Ohio, Indiana but keep getting rejected to my own state. Since I will have to pay OOS tuition anyway, I don’t mind paying it to my own state.
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Compare the population of California relative to the size of the UC campuses with the population of (for example) Arizona to the size of ASU. ASU is large enough to function as both a flagship and a broad access commuter-accessible university in the state’s largest metro area.
But your student has admissions to UCR, CPP, and SDSU in-state.
Also note that Texas A&M, Ohio State, Purdue, and Washington have secondary admission to various engineering majors. Some majors may be more popular than others and therefore harder to get into. Wisconsin has weed-out GPAs that can be significantly higher than 2.0 for some engineering majors.
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I surmise that the engineering program at any school you just listed is easier to get into than the UCs - if you would have said UT Austin (but you said A&M) - they are great names - just as good - but maybe not as competitive entry wise for engineering.
It was interesting on Gumby Mom’s data - that the UCs most OOS target had a lower out of state acceptance (LA and UCB).
I’d also note - there are a great many UCs and Cal States - and depending on the engineering discipline, your son did very well. He’s going to get a similar and potentially even better outcome from these strong engineering flagships.
Truth is - one never knows why they were rejected. Maybe his PIQs weren’t good. Maybe it was something else. Gazillions of talented kids are getting rejected - and your son prepared properly with a balanced and varied list.
On the flipside, you can offer a donation - the UC out of state tuition - endow a scholarship with $300K and see if it gets you any juice!!
OK, don’t do that!!!
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