Why Parents Should Say No to Parent or Cosigned Loans for Undergraduate 2024 Edition

So I am bumping this conversation for the benefit of the 2024 class, some of whom are still caught up in decisions due to the FAFSA tangle… hope no one minds. So many experts here that have helped us through the overwhelming craziness!

I have been feeling unsettled because our family recently received a “final message to seniors” from a school counselor in the last weeks of school indicating that “a lot of students have been coming in the last few weeks asking how to get private loans to pay their college bills…It’s easy!” The tone of the email suggested that parents also did not know that endless loans would not be provided to the students by their schools. I don’t begrudge the counselor, who actually hosted many financial talks these kids and parents apparently did not attend, but am really saddened by how aid packages trickled out this year and by the idea that the FAFSA delay may result in a lot of excess debt.

This message came out AFTER most commitment dates had passed. I am not joking when I say my daughter did not want to disclose that she decided to attend our state flagship on scholarship after having been admitted to a top private program for her desired major. Her peers could rattle off rankings and judgment like nobody’s business, but could not hold a conversation when she started discussing FAFSA, need based grants versus merit, or amortization. The fact that many of them signed onto colleges without knowledge of how to pay astonishes me.

Truth be told, we really wanted to be able to send her to that private school and think she had the talent to make waves in her field. The NPC was way off, and we were left with a gap above our budget… but just enough above budget that we could possibly find a way with some creativity. It was a painful parenting moment. BUT when we charted out how much our child would need to take in loans, what that would look like for the next twenty years, how many hours she would need to dedicate to work study and explained that her college fund would be gone after one year, the glow started to wear off. When we explained that we, as parents, would also have to find gap funding equal to what the state school cost in total, the tide turned. We made it clear we would not be taking parent loans (personal choice) and we would need to work together to plan cutbacks and restrictions to save money. We discussed a deferral and gap year for work as well. My daughter took ownership of her decision, grieved her loss, and moved on. We anticipate she will be debt free for undergrad.

I think kids can be mature enough to understand these things, but need us to use our experience to present it in a digestible way. For example, my kids know I was able to choose to stay home with them after a decade in law because I didn’t have crushing debt. (My parents, who themselves were first gen non-traditional grads, still have a hard time digesting this. I am glad I paid my own way and didn’t feel obligated to anyone. But that’s me.)

If educated, financially savvy adults want to arrange their finances to let their kids attend a dream school at their own cost, that’s their prerogative. (And it often involves extensive long-term planning that avoids high interest loans). My concern lies with the families and kids running out to get loans in the weeks and months before school begins without a clue about what that involves. Sallie Mae is sending me tons of emails telling me how easy it is. It feels very predatory. I feel a lot of compassion for the parents and students dealing with the reality of gap funding. I can’t help but feel that we are letting families down both with the costs of college and the amount of education we provide regarding how debt affects students, parents and society. If only we could put the same emphasis on debt counseling as we do on rankings!

Thanks for the old thread! I found it consoling at a stressful time!

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Link to the referred to old thread is at the bottom of the first post. New thread initiated by moderator.

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I think a more accurate title would be “Why parents should carefully consider all of their options regarding college financing”.

Lots of people have loans. They have accurately assessed their financial capabilities, they make every single payment on time or even pay them off early, they have an adequate financial cushion in case something goes wrong.

I would never make a blanket statement “say no to college loans”. Loans are a tool. That’s all. Good in some situations- great and life-altering in others- devastating for some.

I wouldn’t tell people “Say no to a mortgage” just because there are some people who are able to finance a home outright-- or some people who aren’t interested in home ownership at all. Yes, every year there are people who lose their homes and never bothered to read the fine print. That’s on them.

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Thank you!

My daughter took out loans for her DPT, there was no way she had $150,000 in her bank account, and most of the programs had similar costs. She works to pay her rent and food (she’s one of three in her cohort who work and go to school, it’s a time consuming program). I think that limiting medical professionals to only those with wealthy parents would be unfortunate.

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Teen Vogue published a good article on graduates dealing with their student debts.

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I agree! This would be more accurate. To clarify, I did not mean to suggest all loans are bad, but do think they should be carefully planned, which your suggested title aptly conveys.

Not just medical professionals… there are lawyers who understand housing insecurity and what happens when your landlord illegally tries to evict you because they themselves have been in that situation. There are guidance counselors and social workers who know how to help a child whose health insurance has been cut with no explanation, and librarians who help kids who do not have access to the internet (or a computer at home) do their homework when a teacher assigns something that can only be completed online.

The world is filled with people who need a helping hand at times- and limiting the ranks of the professionals who help them to the children of the affluent seems short-sighted, no?

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Sorry, I did not mean to suggest that loans should be off the table. Both my husband and I had grad school loans that were worthwhile, and helped our child understand how she could structure a college education that included her own loans. Congrats to your child on her work ethic.

I am concerned, however, with the families I know that are emotionally jumping toward last minute supplemental loans at high interest rates without even understanding the process or those who had the rug pulled out with FAFSA and are left scrambling.

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$300K for UG degree, doesn’t matter if paid by borrowing loans, 529, or cash is still $300K.

If there is no value in a degree, regardless of loans or not, parents should say no.

IMO, it’s not the loans that is the problem. It’s the general lack of understanding in the value of money and what it takes to make money that is driving the whole crisis.

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Someone who is sitting on 300K cash and able to pay full freight doesn’t need a lecture on the value of money. Nor what it takes to make money. They’ve got those lessons down pat. What they do with the money is nobody’s business.

I’ve got a neighbor now who is complaining about needing a HELOC to paint her house. I nod and try to look sympathetic. But it takes self control to ask “why did you buy your 17 year old kid a new Jeep if you didn’t have the cash” or “why did you take a cruise over Christmas AND a pricey trip over Easter if your bank account has less than $500 in it?”

There are a lot of people living lifestyles they can’t afford. I don’t think we need to worry about the people who can write a check for college… they are not the problem.

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Respectfully, I am not suggesting that loans should be unavailable. The original thread discussed taking parent loans on top of maximum federal student loans. I also acknowledged in my post that many parents make a plan to help finance their child’s education wherever that may be. I just feel that people need to be educated about how high interest loans affect the equation before they make a decision to commit.

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Did you mean to say “parent or cosigned loans for undergraduate” when you wrote “college loans” in the thread title?

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Agree 100%. People need to read the fine print, understand that what works for their cousin/sister/boss may not work for them because everyone has different risk factors/health considerations, etc.

Lost in much of the verbiage about student loans is the reality that a high percentage of those loans are for for-profit colleges (predatory) and graduate school. The media loves to write about the kid with the degree in Spanish Literature who is folding sweaters at the gap, but that is NOT who is driving the student loan problem.

There are also a rising number of senior citizens who are retiring without having paid off their OWN loans. Truly scary.

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I actually didn’t write the title of the thread. It was moved to a new discussion because it is a continuation from a discussion from last year. I found it while searching private loans and thought it would be helpful to reactivate because I know several people scrambling to stretch into financial reach schools right now using supplemental parent loans. A lot of us with first students did not have accurate estimates of college costs and I found the prior discussion insightful.

Guess I poked a bee’s nest by accident. I am fine with changing the name as suggested above but am mot sure how?

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Better, thanks

At one point I likened education loans to a chainsaw. Both are tools. Both are very useful in some circumstances. Some jobs just can’t be done without using one or the other of these as a tool. However, it is best to use some caution and know what you are doing before you start to use either of them.

I have used both, but I have been cautious (and I have not used either for quite a while).

Many years ago I took on some debt to get my master’s degree. The amount of debt was small compared to the apparent value of the master’s degree. It made sense and it worked out well.

Part of the issue might come down to the relative value of a degree from a “big name” university (perhaps Harvard, MIT, Stanford level), versus a different very good private university, versus out of state public university, versus an in-state public university, versus… Very good graduate programs accept students who graduated from a wide range of universities. MIT and Stanford graduates work alongside San Jose State and U.Mass and UNH graduates all the time. A student does not have to go to Harvard or MIT or Stanford for their bachelor’s degree just because they can.

Perhaps one difficult part of this is comparing the value of degrees from different universities. Also, value is not just “what job can you get”. There is also some value in getting the degree from a very good or highly ranked university just in showing yourself that you can do it.

Perhaps another difficult part of this is that the risks associated with a loan are not so obvious.

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Very well said. I believe return on investment— both economic and personal— is a key part of the conversation both for those who value prestige and those who value affordability. I don’t think these two groups are mutually exclusive, although it can sometimes feel that way.

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Initially, my instinct is no parental loans. But… in many states, now, even a state school is unaffordable for students working part time and paying.

Back in the day, I had friends, and an ex-spouse who were totally able to afford public flagship university in state by working part time and in the summer. So there was a path to do it without parental support. That path no longer exists. Rutgers in state is close to 30k and Montclair St is about 25k. It’s just not possible for an 18-21 year old to work part time and cover this, so yes, parents do need to step up.

What I think is needlessly agonizing is for parents to tell their kids “I have this covered “ and then their kid applies to schools that cost 80k and parents say, no we meant we can cover 40k.

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So I think it should be mandatory for high schools to have some session for the parents and students on college costs. My son’s school started early and by junior year they had both Northwestern and University of Chicago do a joint session on school costs and loans. Yes, unique. The school also tried to match kids to merit. They are very successful at this.

Parents have to also have the realistic talk with their kids early.

My kids are so thankful they have virtually no loans. We had left over 529 (due to merit) that it will help pay for 50% of my daughters master degree. Our daughter couldn’t go to her #1. Her #2 was giving her too much merit. We showed her how much she would owe at the end and her monthly payment and she was like “Oh” :rofl:. She’s also a Master of the thrift stores. Lol.

Parents and kids would understand this better by just asking your neighbors where they went to school. It’s probably a bunch of variety schools with some known ones mixed in all living in the same areas and going to the same schools.

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