It would depend upon what her masters is in and from what school. That is a different level of hire in finance.
I would like to know a little bit more about your experience as well as your sonās experience, like the major, summer intern, location etc, if you are willing to share. Thanks.
I hate the word ālockā because a simple google search of linkedin, I found two St. Andrews (not W&M) grads as recent incoming IB analysts in NYC. I did not look further so donāt know if London is on there.
Itās the same - others say know itās not true or you canāt believe what people post on linkedin (why not - are they lying?) - but itās the same way that target schools donāt have a lock on IB in the US. Many schools have students that are Investment Banking Analysts on their linkedin profiles.
Are they (target schools) the bulk? Yes, of course. Is it easier from them - yes - of course but that doesnāt make it easy.
But people shouldnāt talk in absolutes - because anything is possible - and these possibilities, while perhaps more rare, are taking place on campuses throughout the country (and in this case, from Europe).
The W&M//St. Andrews program is so unique - if one truly wants that, if itās truly for them, a student should pursue it - and they may have to work harder to get to where they want and maybe they wonāt be able to. But that can be said of any college on this list - that they might not get to where they want.
But if they pass up an experience that they truly want, theyāll never be able to get that chance back.
So I would let my desires for the next four years determine where I spend them vs. an unknown no matter where you go.
But know, anything is possible no matter where you go.
If one were interested in IB, UVA is a target school. The rest are not.
This is very helpful, obviously just school name is never enough, in any field. But at least we donāt have to worry about visa and potentially can find internship in London while she is there.
And I understand - but going to UVA is also not an assurance of landing in IB.
Thatās my point - everyone talks in absolutes.
There are kids from UVA that canāt crack IB. And there are kids from Va Tech or UGA or U of SC or other non targets that do.
I just hate everyone talks in absolutes.
The W&M / St. Andrews experience is so unique. If thatās what this student would truly want, then why not?
Thatās all Iām saying.
You cannot get the four years back
Of course. Just recognize that linked in profiles include kids whose hiring has nothing to do with their qualifications or schools-if the son of a Goldman Sachs MD went there, the kid has a good chance of landing a job regardless. So some of those hires may well be hooked.
Wall St Oasis is a source of info in the finance industry, and would be relatively reliable in terms of how StA is viewed. Per those posters, it is pretty low on the list of London finance schools, but as always, YMMV.
Thank you for your input. I totally agree with you and that was our original intention to apply for this joint program. College offers more than just preparation for future employment, it is about experiencing, learning, absorbing, and growthing. As parents we are always try to balance between practical perspective and the overall experienceā¦.that is why I am here.
I got a graduate law degree from Cambridge University, after getting a US law degree. I was in big demand in the US, and not at all in the UK (was not looking at law firms there). So probably not terribly relevant to the undergraduate experience.
It wasnāt my son; my friendās son attended Edinburgh as an undergrad; I do not know what his major was. He wanted to get into real estate finance, and could not get a single professional job. He took a menial job, and applied for a mastersā. Got it (from Columbia) and now is in the field in NYC.
Thank you. I will check that out.
Thereās more to London banks than IB and graduating from Kingās or LSE (etc) has typically been a faster path to that than StA.
But StA is no slouch wrt to ābanking worldā placement in the UK.
The issue would be whether their opportunities (micro internships, summer internships for 2nd years, etc) are open to the StA/WM students. In particular, is a sandwich year between Y2 and Y3 open to them (as this can make the difference)?
Wrt the visa issue, AFAIK StA/WM get a degree from both, not just WM.
The school should have first destinations info for this cohort
Very helpful and very impressive experience. I am very grateful for all the assistance and the time.
Does anyone know McGill graduates? How are they doing in US job market?
This could be - and from any in demand fields - whether the theatre arts, banking, or others.
One truly never knows how any of us got our jobs - and Iām just saying, Iād personally be uncomfortable picking something based on an absolute. I did, in fact, going to Syracuse for journalism - only to find out 90% ended up as stock brokers, in law school or like me, selling cars (sort of).
Everyone has to follow their path they desire.
For someone to even apply to the joint W&M/St. Andrews program, if thatās a true want, their interest and perhaps personality/desires are so different than the mainstream - this may be one of those - once in a lifetime experiences that honestly, 99.9% wouldnāt even think ofā¦
Thatās all Iām really saying.
If thereās 1000 people on the CC that post - I want IB, my life will be IB - and they attend the right schools for it (the targets), I wonder how many truly, four years later end up in IBā¦either because they couldnāt or when they realized what was involved, they said no thank you.- Iām guessing the # overall on a percentage basis isnāt that high. I donāt knowā¦just a guess.
In addition, make sure your daughter understands Scotland is a different nation than England. The relationship between the 2, even after devolved powers, can be contentious. They share common values but also have big differences.
This map is I think a good illustration
It may be too early but ⦠Would your daughter be fine working elsewhere than London in the UK? What about the EU?
What does she know about Scotland, the UK, Europe and why is she attracted to them? Has she researched them a bit?
I think there are very good reasons for making that choice BTW but she definitely needs to think about these questions. (No need to answer here).
@NiceUnparticularMan Do you know the answer to this?
Thank you. She has attended a summer program in Oxford in addition to our vacation to various places in Europe. I think she is attracted to Europe because of the culture experience and different perspectives. However she have not lived there long to actually know. All your inputs are great and valuable, I think it is really up to her what she wants.
And I donāt think she will say no to work in EU, and that is actually some good experience too. Not necessarily has to be London. But I am not sure EU is easier.
They definitely get a degree which is from both, but I do not know about the sandwich year issue.