From her testimony during the trial:
Link?
[quote She testified that while he stopped after the first time she told him no, he ignored subsequent refusals.
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I don’t understand this argument.
That’s rape. 
just a sec and I’ll post the link - the local newspaper had people in the court room every day of the trial, it’s one of the day’s recaps. I read the newspaper reports when this piece of the book came up since the book author was telling it from one perspective, I wanted to read the trial info.
here’s one reference to her saying she said stop once, about 3/4 of the way down and there’s another reference on a different day. Neither of them disagreed that she said stop once and he stopped, but they continued on.
I just have to 
Reading the book and the posts…
Johnson is 51 to 90 percent provably guilty.
Which is why the criminal justice system doesn’t work for victims.
MOTB: What I read you writing in post #204, is different than what is reported in the article in the link in that post. This makes it difficult for me to follow your reasoning.
MOTB: Neither of them disagreed that she said stop once and he stopped, but they continued on.
MOTB’s link: *At what point did she say no?” asked Pabst.
“She never said no,” Johnson replied.*
Here’s another reference to that testimony from the Billings Montana. But you can get the gist of her testimony from these two:
and sorry my browser locked up: and here is the link to the story with the quote I lifted:
http://missoulian.com/news/local/jordan-johnson-found-not-guilty-of-rape/article_797ee060-82ba-11e2-b4cb-001a4bcf887a.html
Momofthreeboys, we read the book. We have read many links. What you based your reasoning on is false.
To me, it’s not that important if two newspaper reporters got it right or wrong, she had opportunity to stop what was going on and so did he. But in my opinion neither engaged in criminal behavior. She had a right to report what she thought happened and the prosecutor decided to go for it. The outcome I believe in this particular case was correct. I’ll have to go back and read that chapter in the book and see if it mirrors the Billings and Missoula newspaper reporting. I believe the author said he filed for a release of the transcript, but I’m guessing the author did not have it when he released the book. But since he was writing the book about the women it might not have changed his reporting of her experience.
re: #208 I’m chuckling. It’s what makes the system work - you have to put a jury of men and women in a room after they have all heard the same information and stories and they have to agree This case required a unanimous decision by that jury and they unanimously decided he wasn’t guilty of the charge and I happen to agree with them. Not every charge of rape with not much or no evidence is going to result in a guilty verdict. Turn that around for the Beau trial and that jury found that he was guilty and i happen to agree with them, too. Every trial is different, every set of circumstances and evidence are different. The author could have written a completely different book, but he didn’t so we are reading from his perspective with his filter.
Motb, lol… Your facts weren’t facts.
If every woman had to go through the criminal court system and couldn’t go through the schools, the women would be worse off than before the Dear Whatever letter.
Listening to all the different attorneys here, it is very difficult to get a conviction in these rape cases. As Hunt agreed, the victims are SOL.
Therefore, Your solutions make things worse for victims.
I am glad you think the first guy is guilty. He thinks he is guilty too. He confessed.
Of course, confessions and videos aren’t that important to every prosecuter.
MOTB: With regard to the Johnson trial, it seems you are making incorrect statements of fact. So when you say you agree with the jury, I have no idea what that means. I would like to understand what you are saying.
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?? I agree with the decision the jury made. My opinion is just that…an opinion. I am not understanding either of you to be honest. What statement of fact are you referencing that I am saying. I can respond if I understand what you are asking me.
The above case reminds me of a recent incident at the high school, when a 15yr old girl was raped on an overnight field trip.
I think it was at least two, if not three nights, and although there were no male adults present to chaperone, and the kids were reportedly " pretty wild", the first night, chaperones were still unconcerned enough to be using headphones after lights out.
The principal should have never signed off on a field trip with inadequate chaperones.( or taken the boy & his mom out to lunch to hear their side).
The " accused" attacker, confessed to police at the time that the girl had asked him repeatedly to stop, but still the prosecutor declined to pursue the case, because how many high school sophomores are having anal sex in a room full of high school boys?
http://www.kplu.org/post/district-settles-parents-garfield-high-student-who-alleged-sexual-assault
He said she never said no. She said she did say no,repeatedly, and he at first stopped but then pressed his attack despite her verbal and physical objections. Contrary to what @momofthreeboys says, according to the links she provides there is no agreement on fact, and no ambiguity of understanding. Either the accuser or the accused is lying.
Who is lying- the woman who texted she’d been raped right after the attack, who was hysterical and who got a rape examination that showed bruises and lacerations consistent with her story, or the guy who denied she ever said no and who was on a football team with at least two other rapists on it?
The jury, according to a juror, didn’t think the sex was consensual. According to Montana law, it’s a defense to rape is the attacker thought the sex was consensual even if an objective observer would have disagreed.
Yes.
Post 204.
That’s false.
Requiring victims to go through the criminal court system and eliminating the ability to go through the schools, makes it worse for the victims than it has been for decades.
Emeraldkity4, that is a disturbing link. I don’t think a $700,000 settlement is enough.
The poor girl had to change schools, and I think they even had to move.
The principal, who I initially liked, has made so many bad decisions in the last ten years, I am amazed he hasn’t been transferred to a less visible school.
Creating a " special/ non existing" class for Tony Wroten ( who now plays for the 76’ers) was minor, compared to some of his other decisions.
The culture of letting athletes get away with a lot, just short of murder, isn’t very original, but maybe is a player in why some pro athletes act like they’ve never learned adult behavior.
That poor girl has a lot of problems.
That sounds right to me.
The Missoula football team is hardly a bunch of choirboys. Aside from the five+ rape accusations in the last several years, some involving three or four players, various players committed numerous other violent acts. One Missoula player shot someone to death, another one committed armed burglary with the assistance of teammates, the burglar was also convicted of numerous other violent acts, and four other players were involved in violent assaults on other students. For me, it doesn’t stretch credulity to think these goons were also guilty of all the rapes of which they were accused.