<p>BTW Eagle, you are about to drive me to drink! BTW, I saw took a picture of a 1.5 million dollar Bugatti two days ago in Beverly Hills. The interior was off white/burgandy/with brushed steel dash. Two toned black/burgundy exterior.</p>
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man”), is an attempt to persuade which links the validity of a premise
to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise.[1]
The ad hominem is a classic logical fallacy.</p>
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<p>On the contrary, I’ve been on the attack through most of the
discussion.</p>
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<p>That’s because you haven’t read the Bible. You apparently don’t study it
and you certainly don’t use it like a sword.</p>
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<p>I guess that anyone can say that but the Bible clearly states:</p>
<p>John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. </p>
<p>The conversation with you leads me to think that you are the man:</p>
<p>Luk 6:49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that
without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the
stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of
that house was great.</p>
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<p>I’ve been debating on electronic message boards for almost thirty years.
That’s more years than you’ve been on the earth. I hope you do take a
course in Introduction to Logic so that you can learn about all of the
mistakes that you’ve made in message board discourse and that you can
understand why the things you said are wrong.</p>
<p>I also hope that you get to take a course in research writing.</p>
<p>Eagle, you sound like you are a bundle of anger. Anyone debating for 30 years has too much desire to be heard. And for what gain? You pay a heavy toll on defending your camp: PRIDE. Is it really worth it? What do you gain/win? Your debate tactic, discounting my challenges to your convictions, is a ploy to make me appear inept at logical persuasion. Let me remind you of your illogical automotive illustration. That was way out in left field! I suggest you get your money back from the forensic instructor that duped you! Meanwhile, Eagle, your pride will lead to to your ultimate destruction. Beware!</p>
<p>On 4/12/2010 on the College Life board, you wrote:</p>
<p>You really need to read EVERY word in the Bible, then, and only then,
will you be qualified to argue your positions.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064602470-post402.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064602470-post402.html</a></p>
<p>Oh, the hypocrisy.</p>
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<p>An ad hominem, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: “to the
man”), is an attempt to persuade which links the validity of a premise
to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise.[1]
The ad hominem is a classic logical fallacy.</p>
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<p>Illogical. Message board postings are anonymous.</p>
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<p>You’re showing yourself inept all by yourself. I’m just pointing it
out for those without the time.</p>
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<p>Good thing for you that they removed the analogy section of the SATs.</p>
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<p>An ad hominem, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: “to the
man”), is an attempt to persuade which links the validity of a premise
to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise.[1]
The ad hominem is a classic logical fallacy.</p>
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<p>Well, we have established that Jesus favors a little wine, and that you have at least tried alcohol, so there is no absolute prohibition.</p>
<p>The remaining issue is that you think the taste is unpleasant, as many people especially initially may find any novel food to be unpleasant.</p>
<p>I think you need expert guidance to seek a drink that you will like. Beer and red wine tend to be acquired tastes, and hard liquors may be too much for your sensitive palate at this stage.</p>
<p>Maybe you should try a nice champagne, well chilled? Or you could try a mixed drink, perhaps a mimosa (champagne and orange juice). I truly doubt if you find those ‘disgusting’ in taste. </p>
<p>If you are a man, though, better work up a taste for beer before you go to a bar, you will come across as not a particularly tough guy if you go in and order a mimosa.</p>
<p>Well, I thoroughly enjoyed this debate. Wait, it wasn’t a debate, was it?</p>
<p>I need a drink :)</p>
<p>I need two.</p>
<p>I thought about it last night. That Muscato was sitting on the basement floor.</p>
<p>I often take daily regimen aspirin and avoiding alcohol in general means that that I don’t have to worry about the conflict between the two.</p>
<p>EPTR, part of it might depend on what’s legal in your state. In my state it’s perfectly fine to let your children have a drink with you in the privacy of your home. Neither of my kids are interested in even tasting liquor. I’m positive my older son (21 junior in college) has never had a drink. He’s a picky eater and set in his ways. I think my younger son (almost 18 and about to start college) will surely drink eventually. We have both alcoholics and teetotalers in the family - I think my kids are better off starting later. We’ve both modeled and talked about drinking in moderation.</p>
<p>This discussion has supported one suspicion I have about the data in the study mentioned in the original post: that there may be a difference between families where alcohol is forbidden for religious reasons, and those where parents drink (even in moderation) but don’t allow their children to do so. If a child is brought up to believe that it’s a sin for anybody, adult or not, to drink alcohol, I would expect it to be less likely that the child will drink in college–indeed, he might go to a religious college where few students drink.</p>
<p>Mathmom,
It is legal in my state to allow young people a glass of wine in your home but we have found that, generally, it is easier to avoid conflict around alcohol if we prohibit it entirely. In the last few months my oldest (20) has asked for an occasional glass of wine. She has such a casual attitude about it that it doesn’t seem like a big deal so I have let her on occasion. </p>
<p>Neither of my children seems terribly interested in it at this point. I have never seen them or suspected them to be inebriated but I’m sure they have experimented with friends. I do think that the hard line we drew on the subject helped get them through the younger adolescent years without any big issues around drinking. We were (and are) very aware and conscious of where they are, what they are doing, etc. As they have gotten older we have been able to loosen the restraints, trust in their judgement and, as the saying goes, work ourselves out of a job. </p>
<p>My oldest goes to a large university that has a reputation for big partying. She didn’t go wild there once she was out of our sight. On the contrary she is still fairly tame from what i can see. Coming from a family that is strict about alcohol doesn’t seem to have resulted in wild college partying for her. Hopefully it will be the same for my younger D who is going off to college this fall.</p>
<p>Uh-oh…mtnester discreetly puts her wine glass in the dishwasher and pretends she didn’t open this thread…</p>
<p>“BTW, don’t bs about alcohol tasting good.”</p>
<p>Clearly you’ve never had an '03 Super Tuscan from Sassicaia.</p>
<p>Well, at least we know we won’t see TrueLove over in SA!</p>
<p>So wrong! I am ubiquitous! ;)</p>
<p>mtnester2010-
You gotta ask yourself WWJD (what would Jesus drink?)
the answer is Sassicaia '88. It KICKS '03s hiney.</p>
<p>I want to echo the sentiment of cartera’s post #17. I would add to say that while it’s not uncommon to find kids who do drink or party during the college years ( even among kids whose parents who are not big drinkers or partiers) many of those kids will not drink to the same degree or as consistently and/or will go on when they are older to live lives that do not revolve socially around alcohol.</p>
<p>Of course, there are always the exceptions.</p>
<p>WWJD? Should be a new thread. A cold beer on a hot day as the sun goes down over the Galilee, just sitting there, chewing the fat with your pals.</p>