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<p>Who are these folks who are unwilling to pay for prisons? I would certainly love to see more of my tax dollars used towards building more prisons and keeping criminals in there longer (or for life!). </p>
<p>This was an HR and security failure. He was fired in the HR building then went straight to the plant facility and killed a former coworker. When my husband’s company fires an employee they are walked out of the secure building by the security staff. This guy wasn’t fired for a failure to perform his work functions properly. He was fired for harassing other employees and should never have just been allowed to walk away and loop back to the shop floor.</p>
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<p>you mean the guy came to work (not knowing he’d be fired), then was fired, and happened to have a weapon on him capable of this crime? Or did he go his car and retrieve? Or did he suspect he would be fired and came equipped? </p>
<p>I suspect he went to his car otherwise he would have attacked the person(s) who fired him.</p>
<p>It is getting scary firing someone. When that nutty UAH prof was denied tenure (which is like being fired), she got a gun and killed at least 3 people, and seriously injured several others (including the H of a friend…lost an eye, bullet entered neck and went up thru eye).</p>
<p>Of course, later we learned that she had killed her brother decades earlier and her mom somehow manipulated authorities into just labeling it “an accident.”</p>
<p>The woman was killed in front office. He drove his truck around to the front of the building and entered through the main entrance. I wouldn’t call it a security failure unless you think every time someone is fired somewhere the entire facility should go on lock-down. That doesn’t happen, yet. And, most disgruntled workers do not behead anyone. Thankfully.</p>
<p>mom2, that is just awful!</p>
<p>Thank you stressedoutt for a voice from someone from Islam- someone who is undoubtedly affected by this kind of news. It has to be hard to see something so dear to you be defiled. </p>
<p>The media is part to blame by emphasizing the bad without reporting the incidents of Muslims speaking out against it. However, the media these days seems to encourage divisions. This is why it helps when people like you speak out and it is very needed. </p>
<h1>NotInMyName is a fantastic campaign and I would like to see more of it. I don’t know much about Islam, but as it is one of the three Abrahamic faiths I assume that murdering an innocent person, and in a horribly brutal way is a hideous abuse of the name of God and a horror to people of reason everywhere. #MuslimApologies will hopefully build some bridges between people.</h1>
<p>The sick and twisted people who believe otherwise are hurting all of us. This is why most of us are just beyond horrified. They are also hurting Islam by promoting their version of it. </p>
<p>We all have to speak out against this. </p>
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<p>I agree. More voices, such as this, are needed.</p>
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<p>I think they do report such people, but the problem most likely is it is not a critical mass that is strong enough to actually fight back. </p>
<p>It should not be lost that the people who perpetrate such acts kill more infinitely more muslims than non-muslims, so clearly there is a struggle within. I have no solutions to this, except I am not sure one can win against such violence by just speaking out. It may require more than just voices against. </p>
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<p>Whatever was in his mind was a belief, not matter how twisted. Therefore, there is not enough security in the entire country (or anywhere on the planet) to stop such a person. If he did not kill there, he would have killed her somewhere else. And if not her, he would have chosen another target. His point was to send a message, and there is no security in existence, which can stop a person like that. </p>
<p>Muslims around the world ARE denouncing ISIS and of course all would denounce the actions of the OK nutjob. The problem is, our press isn’t covering the responses.</p>
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<p><a href=“Muslim Leaders Worldwide Condemn ISIS - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization”>http://www.globalresearch.ca/muslim-leaders-worldwide-condemn-isis/5397364</a></p>
<p>Look . . . if you have a guy in you employee who is an ex-con and was fired for harassment you don’t just wave and let him walk out without some security plan. And yes . . . at my DH’s place of employment they do have a security detail walk the person out and they are not allowed to return.</p>
<p>It is a secure facility to begin with so once out I guess the parking lot could be an issue but not the facility itself.</p>
<p>I saw a little denouncing but that’s never going to get the same amount of coverage as a beheading in Oklahoma by someone shouting Islamic phrases after a couple of ISIS beheading videos. It just isn’t, and probably shouldn’t.</p>
<p>I really don’t get that they called the FBI on him, but law enforcement was not involved with his firing.</p>
<p>And, yeah, some people keep guns or large knives on them because they are paranoid.</p>
<p>An administrator was fired at my son’s HS, and security escorted him out to his car. They apparently didn’t even do that in this case, the guy smashed his car into other cars.</p>
<p>People die for other people’s stupidity. Nothing to do with religion. </p>
<p>I also would like to see more coverage of Muslims denouncing this sort of thing, here and abroad. Christian Americans have always been a bit xenophobic about Islam, and especially so since 9/11. I’m not sure what it will take to make the world a safer place, but I’m fairly certain that <em>increased</em> fear of Muslims will only make things worse. </p>
<p>ISIS knows how to use the media. Those videos are slick and there are other recruitment videos. This is one reason that media coverage of Muslims denouncing ISIS doesn’t have the same visibility. Also, the news loves to cover dramatic stories. Muslims volunteering in soup kitchen won’t get the same coverage as something horrible from ISIS.</p>
<p>This is why I would love to see some examples of action. I believe they are there, but just not covered. I’d like to see something big, like a peace rally. Maybe that’s dramatic, but there is something theatrical about ISIS and maybe a media counter- campaign would make a difference. </p>
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<p>I am not too sure why you are making this claim, as if posters said no one is denouncing these groups. I do think posters have agreed there are such voices. </p>
<p>However, the issue is voices and some actions are one thing, but something like this cannot be stamped out unless there is a critical mass of opposition willing to fight back on their turf in a major, sustained way. The aggressor always sets the rules, and right now such groups are setting the rules, whether we like it or not. The world is currently playing defense, not a stamp-it-out offense. </p>
<p>awcntdb, I was responding to LasMa’s statement. </p>
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<p>In any case, I don’t see enough denouncing of bad behavior by ANY organized groups. Just look at the extreme hypocrisy of the politicians who espouse “family values” but have no trouble violating those principles. Of course, in no time they are on TV weepily seeking forgiveness from their god and their supporters.</p>
<p>And they are getting their azzes bombed for it.</p>
<p>You cannot play offense against an infestation. Most of these “terrorists” lately do not have a cause other than ultimately to make money. ISIL is making millions of dollars per day from oil fields they took over. Countries are doing business with them to get oil. If we start recognizing that the terror being perpetrated is really economic terror (and granted, how much of the oil money was going to the average Syrian or Iraqi?), and work on them that way, the organization will crumble.</p>
<p>Russia made it easier to sanction them because it was all above board. We need help from bankers and “neutral parties” (don’t you just love Switzerland’s role in WWII?) to get these guys where they live, in their wallets. Killing people is just their marketing scheme.</p>
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<p>Thanks for the explanation. I read what LaMas posted differently. </p>
<p>To me, reluctance does not mean none and does not mean people are not doing something where others can see and hear. Reluctance means that whatever is said and done are less than and more muted than the aggression. </p>
<p>I can use my muslim colleagues in France, as perfect examples. They did speak against radicalism with their families, but they were very, very careful to couch it, as not to rattle feathers. There is a difference in demanding someone stop something and willing to go to mat to stop them, as compared to saying, “I do not think that is right, and you might not be helping your cause” and then still going to family functions and vacations etc. with them, which my colleagues did. The former is real opposition, and the latter is reluctant criticism, which does not thwart anyone. </p>
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<p>Sure, in a tit-for-tat engagement way. Such an approach never wipes anything out.</p>
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<p>I do not accept this premise, as accurate. </p>
<p>If family members and everyone else who does not believe as much, rises up and never lets such people live in their homes, hide in their towns and cities, and take over their schools etc., an infestation can be rooted out and fought successfully not to regain a foothold. However, the infestation will survive and grow if not treated systemically.</p>
<p>The problems caused by illegal immigration are similar on a smaller scale to the problems caused by Islamic terrorism in that having huge numbers of young males without the balance provided by loved and respected women leads to every kind of violence and trouble imaginable. At least in china and India, education and careers are possible to channel the energy of the young men with the gender ratios so skewed. No such luck in the Middle East and Pakistan. Let those young men have to compete for women on the women’s terms and channel their energy into their homes and terrorism will decrease markedly. As long as they have no healthy outlets for their appetites, carnage is inevitable.</p>