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<p>I think the following link in the excellent example of ‘superior success to professional school admissions’</p>
<p>[Law</a> School Students](<a href=“http://www.yale.edu/bulletin/html/law/students.html]Law”>http://www.yale.edu/bulletin/html/law/students.html)</p>
<p>Yale UG (82)
Harvard (66)
Columbia (30)
Princeton (24)
Brown (17)
Dartmouth(15)
UPenn(11)
Cornell(8)</p>
<p>UPenn and Cornell are bottom ivys as expected, even though both are the biggest UG ivys…</p>
<p>There are approximately 6,600 undergraduates enrolled at Columbia University, Columbia College at a given time. There are approximately 5,200 undergraduates enrolled at Yale University, Yale College at a given time.</p>
<p>Even though Yale has a larger undergraduate student body, it enjoys much better representation.</p>
<p>^Actually, Columbia College is approximately 4,100 undergraduates.</p>
<p>^^zzgirl, why don’t you change “Law School” to “Engineering School” and see how high up your favorites rank if that’s how you determine rank</p>
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Yale has strong representation at the Yale Law School… shocker</p>
<p>Hawkette posted this a while back using Harvard Law, Yale Law, and UVA law.</p>
<p>Another, probably better, way to evaluate this is to consider the enrollment at each undergraduate school and calculate what % of its students find their way to the top law schools. These numbers reveal the great feeder strength of the LACs and expose the relative weakness of those schools with much larger student bodies. However, the percentages for some universities may be a bit understated because those schools also have good Law Schools that would likely accept higher than average numbers of students from their own undergraduate bodies and/or in order to meet in-state requirements. However, this phenomenon is widespread and likely would not dramatically change the results. Examples of undergraduate schools with high ranking Law Schools include NYU, Cornell, Georgetown, Columbia, Duke, Emory, Vanderbilt, W&M, U Texas, U Chicago, U Michigan, Northwestern, UC Berkeley, UCLA, Stanford. USC.</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard (339 graduates, enrollment of 6649, 5.10% of its enrollment)</li>
<li>Yale (209, 5409, 3.86%)</li>
<li>Amherst (33, 1623, 2.03%)</li>
<li>Princeton (97, 4906, 1.98%)</li>
<li>Stanford (125, 6576, 1.90%)</li>
<li>Williams (33, 2017, 1.64%)</li>
<li>Dartmouth (59, 4110, 1.44%)</li>
<li>Swarthmore (18, 1479, 1.22%)</li>
<li>Brown (66, 6176, 1.07%)</li>
<li>Duke (65, 6534, 0.99%)</li>
<li>Columbia (69, 7319, 0.94%)</li>
<li>U Penn (71, 9841, 0.72%)</li>
<li>Pomona (11, 1533, 0.72%)</li>
<li>Georgetown (45, 6719, 0.67%)</li>
<li>Rice (21, 3185, 0.66%)</li>
<li>U Virginia (69, 14213, 0.49%)</li>
<li>Wesleyan (13, 2764, 0.47%)</li>
<li>Brandeis (15, 3267, 0.46%)</li>
<li>Middlebury (11, 2455, 0.45%)</li>
<li>U Chicago (21, 4671, 0.45%)</li>
<li>Cornell (59, 13,515, 0.44%)</li>
<li>MIT (17, 4066, 0.42%)</li>
<li>Notre Dame (35, 8275, 0.42%)</li>
<li>Wellesley (9, 2331, 0.39%)</li>
<li>Northwestern (30, 8023, 0.37%)</li>
<li>Emory (23, 6510, 0.35%)</li>
<li>W&M (20, 5594, 0.36%)</li>
<li>Bowdoin (6, 1666, 0.36%)</li>
<li>Carleton (7, 1959, 0.36%)</li>
<li>Vanderbilt (20, 6400, 0.31%)</li>
<li>UC Berkeley (68, 23482, 0.29%)</li>
<li>Haverford (3, 1168, 0.26%)</li>
<li>Tufts (12, 5078, 0.24%)</li>
<li>Caltech (2, 913, 0.22%)</li>
<li>UCLA (50, 24811, 0.20%)</li>
<li>Wash U (14, 7466, 0.19%)</li>
<li>Davidson (3, 1683, 0.18%)</li>
<li>U North Carolina (26, 16764, 0.16%)</li>
<li>Wake Forest (6, 4263, 0.14%)</li>
<li>NYU (26, 20,566, 0.13%)</li>
<li>Brigham Young (41, 30,798, 0.13%)</li>
<li>Vassar (3, 2378, 0.13%)</li>
<li>Boston College (11, 9019, 0.12%)</li>
<li>U Michigan (30, 25467, 0.12%)</li>
<li>USC (20, 16897, 0.12%)</li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon (7, 5623, 0.12%)</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins (6, 5678, 0.11%)</li>
<li>U Texas (36, 36878, 0.10%)</li>
<li>U Washington (15, 27488, 0.05%)</li>
<li>Lehigh (2, 4679, 0.04%)</li>
<li>U Rochester (2, 4696, 0.04%)</li>
<li>U Wisconsin (9, 30106, 0.03%)</li>
</ol>
<p>Columbia has 7319 UG ?<br>
Columbia (CC&SEAS) is about 5000+1100 =6100 students</p>
<p>admitone - well the fallacy of that list is using UVA law as the third school. if you used CLS for example where columbia has the largest feedership (and similarly has the largest placement at White Shoe firms) then columbia rises to the top. </p>
<p>it is a poor measure. </p>
<p>why? it is self-selecting. not all people want to go into law. it is fluctuating. it depends on the people who attend during a certain period of time, character of schools change. </p>
<p>further it includes SEAS, CC and GS, which as separate schools with separate purposes it is not a fair measure than just pulling from HCollege and not including HExtension. No diss to any columbia school here, just a fact that you cannot use to compare an engineering school (the largest eng school by percentage in the Ivy League) to schools that have less of an eng bent using a law school skewed admit test. similarly, if a lot of gs students are seeking degrees to further their careers (which anecdotally many i have encountered have) then their inclusion further skews the data. Penn suffers from similar bias. Many students from its school of nursing may have no desire to attend law school or from its eng school, or from wharton which may as well be a terminal degree, and so this survey is inherently biased.</p>
<p>you can use data to prove anything you want, but this has no real relevance to this thread, and this thread has no real relevance to life.</p>
<p>When you see how well Columbia and Penn still do in light of this bias, it makes their accomplishments all the more impressive. Obviously there are a ton of smart kids at both schools. Penn’s SEAS is the same size as Wharton, by the way; CAS is about 60% of the school, while SEAS and Wharton make up about 18% each. Nursing is about 4%. I would say that SEAS is what brings down the numbers slightly (which are still very high!).</p>
<p>So, if you were to divide law school admission numbers by the actual CAS or CC populations (as opposed to SEAS and Wharton tacked on), it would look something like this:
11. Columbia (69, 7319, 0.94%) ----> (69, 4400, 1.55%)
12. U Penn (71, 9841, 0.72%) -----> (71, 5600, 1.27%)</p>
<p>This would put both schools flanking Dartmouth, and ahead of Swarthmore and Brown, which makes A LOT more sense - these are traditionally their peer schools. According to career services, the Wharton and SEAS students in a pre-law track is a tiny percentage of their graduating classes; CAS makes up nearly all of those applying to law school. I must assume that this is similar at Columbia, as well.</p>
<p>I really think the idea of lower ivies is ridiculous… the only thing some schools are lower in is prestige.</p>
<p>Do you guys go to these imaginary interviews in your head where this sort of stuff really matters?</p>
<p>HR Guy: Welcome! Did you find the place okay?
Applicant: Yes, after all, I went to a middle Ivy.
HR Guy: We know, we are very impressed. The panel reviewing your resume set aside sometime yesterday and decided to reject any applicant from a lesser Ivy. Of course, it took some time to decide which Ivies were the unlucky few.
Applicant: I think you made the right decision.
HR Guy: Well, since we hire people based on admissions statistics and ignore the fact that there are ANY other schools outside of the Ivy League athletic conference, we’d like to offer you the job.
Applicant: Great! What is it again?
HR Guy: Software engineer.
Applicant: Whatever! </p>
<p><em>Hand shaking and back slapping</em></p>
<p>Dont forget the shot of bourbon that goes along with the hand shaking and back slapping. Maybe even going out to get some hookers as well.</p>
<p>You can’t assume no SEAS students attend law schools. Otherwise you would also have to subtract engineers from Brown, Dartmouth, Princeton, etc.</p>
<p>This thread is gross.
I chose Columbia because it fits me. I love the city. It has good programs in what I’m thinking about majoring in. The people are smart.</p>
<p>Who cares about how “Ivy” it is?</p>
<p>I can’t believe the audacity of this question. Do you know how many people in the world get a chance at a college education? How about in this country? Now think about how many people attend a top 50 institution. And finally, an Ivy League school. You are very, very, very fortunate to have the opportunity to pursue the education that you are presumably going to get. If we are now slicing Ivies by the hair, there is obviously some internal insecurity, where the perceptions of others determines how you feel.</p>
<p>It’s like asking which Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle is your favorite. You can’t say because you love them all equally for who they are! </p>
<p>(except Cornell)</p>
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I think Fastfood wins the thread by a landslide.</p>
<p>the rest of this schlock, naturally, makes the baby jesus cry.</p>
<p>Hi everyone,</p>
<p>It’s been a while since I last posted here, but I used to contribute rather frequently. Feeling nostalgic, I decided to browse CC for old-time’s sake and couldn’t help myself from contributing to this thread.</p>
<p>Where do I start? </p>
<p>As a senior in high school, and a newly-minted Columbia College bound student (accepted ED), I started a few UPENN vs Columbia flame-baits myself back in the day (you can go look em up). To be honest, in retrospect, there’s a collective sense of inferiority among the Columbia/Penn-bound students with regards to their “lower” status relative to HYP.</p>
<p>Two years later, I look back and I want to kick myself for wasting my time on this. First of all, once you get to either Penn or Columbia, believe me you will NOT CARE about HYP and their relative standings. You will realize that both Columbia and Penn will offer you more opportunities and resources than you can possibly hope to utilize during your stay. </p>
<p>With regards to graduate opportunities, I recently interviewed (as a sophomore without connections) and received several offers at Bulge-Bracket investment banks. Attending those Superdays (final round interviews) were candidates from a consistent set of schools. I won’t name them, but let’s just say both Columbia and Penn were VERY well represented, more-so than some of the HYP. </p>
<p>Anyway, it’s finals season so I can’t spare much more time, but bottom line is: I used to worry about this stuff ALL THE TIME. But honestly, it does not matter at all in the long run. Whether you succeed or not at Penn, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, or any of these wonderful schools I guarantee you is 100% contingent on your ability to be proactive and seek out opportunities. </p>
<p>my two cents, good luck.</p>
<p>For the record, I had nothing to do with making the baby Jesus cry.</p>
<p>The baby Jesus and I are homeboys.</p>