<p>yeah, i agree ShruggingSheep. i wouldn’t expect this kind of inferiority complex from the Columbia forum. Cornell, maybe. but definitely not Columbia. </p>
<p>pretty much everywhere i go, people recognize Columbia as a highly prestigious school.</p>
<p>I think that once you get into a school you like, you should stay far away from college confidential.</p>
<p>ow fuc guys, just leave it alone. Ignore, Light Airen, he’s probably a Columbia acceptee who’s stary-eyed about coming columbia. He’ll have his pride [and his delusions], the thread has spoken enough. If he isn’t a class of 2013 kid, it still doesn’t matter.</p>
<p>The thread has spoken so much, that as a current columbia junior I’m embarrassed. No-one apart from another high schooler cares about upper or lower, ivy or not. Columbia provides a fantastic education, rivaling the very best, as does every single other ivy. It’s not just minutia we’re discussing, it’s irrelevant compost which any employer, grad school or stable-headed human being would not bat an eyelid at. </p>
<p>I have exactly one piece of advice: when you come to college, get out of this rat race pecking-order that you’ve put colleges in, and realize that someone from podunk state is going to beat you to that job/ grad school if you don’t bust your a$$ and develop as a person. At top universities the market is efficient. College X is filled with very qualified candidates in field A and employers hire more from college X but it’s proportionally tougher to stand out. College Y is filled with less qualified candidates in field A, employers hire fewer from Y but it’s easier to stand out. This is what I’ve observed over the years, there are virtually no arbitrary advantages simply by virtue of being chosen to go to X instead of Y or Y instead of X.</p>
<p>Light Airen seems insecure about going to Columbia</p>
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<p>this made me lol.</p>
<p>^ya, considering he’s still a sophomore in high school…</p>
<p>All Ivies are good and have incredible strengths. Columbia- great profs, Dartmoutu- undergrad focus, business recruiting, and lots of grants (richest non HYP Ivy), Penn- Wharton and research, Brown- just pure awesomeness :)</p>
<p>Cornell engineering >>> Harvard, princeton, yale, brown, upenn, dartmouth, columbia. Most rankings have Cornell as #7 overall in the nation for science excelling particularly in chemistry, physics and biology. It is also #1 for Architecture–yes i know harvard doesn’t offer ugrad architecture-- and #6/7 in english depending on which rankings you refer to. </p>
<p>I’m not sure why so many people foster hate towards any particular school; it seems silly to do so at such a young age with no experience with either of the schools. </p>
<p>Yes cornell may seem easier to gain acceptance to, but that is because it offers so many more degrees and colleges to apply to that one could get in with less than stellar stats into a school with a less than stellar reputation. The college of arts and sciences and college of engineering each let in roughly 10-12% each year, the acceptance rate overall is so high because of the other, less competitive programs at cornell i.e hotel school, ILR, design, which are still top in their respective field.</p>
<p>Thus, if you want to compare the core academics, compare Cornell’s arts and sciences/engineering to the rest of the ivies; i’m sure cornell would be up there with the rest.</p>
<p>Cornell is a great school. There’s just a larger contingent of relatively unintelligent people there (the Andy Bernards of the world, if you will) because it’s bigger and slightly less prestigious, so people get ideas into their head.</p>
<p>Columbia grads have the lowest salary of the ivy league. How do you justify that?</p>
<p>^They choose to go to grad school.</p>
<p>No, that includes midcareer salary. Still the lowest among the ivies. Don’t get me wrong I loved Columbia and would have gone if they accepted me, but seems to be ignored in this thread.</p>
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ShruggingSheep,</p>
<p>I would agree with you if a single Columbia current student or alum had expressed anything like the opinions you mock in your post. All of that fluff and speculation and high-school-esque drama isn’t by Columbia people and shouldn’t be reflective of the school.</p>
<p>But I think on this we can agree: this thread is an abomination and like I tried to do in post #57, I think we should all just ignore it until it goes away. I will certainly do so.</p>
<p>cornell is the best in many regards. I would say cornell = columbia > harvard > yale >princeton >dartmouth> upenn</p>
<p>^^ mid-career salaries? like undergrads without a masters or Phd? well… who cares? the real money is in masters and beyond. like JD, MBA, MD</p>
<p>I agreed with admissiongeek in a very early post (which means I was not patient enough to read through the whole thing, and might have missed other important posts) that fit is the most important. That the eight have very different focuses/personalities so to say, and applying to all eight of them is pure silliness resulting from tracing the name. When I applied from high school I applied to both Brown and Columbia - I can honestly admit now that i was really silly and just going for the names and considered them the easier to get in among all Ivies. This indeed seems silly to myself afterwards, cuz Brown has such liberal academic requirements (the course selection, grade system, etc.) will Columbia concentrated on a more well-rounded education (core curriculum, known to the world). There is no point in comparing two education philosophies. For example if i was someone who is determined to learn com sci and hated stuff like English Lit I could’ve gone to Brown and avoid as many Eng lit classes as possible; whereas if i want to explore a little bit of everything I’ll go to Columbia (probably everyone put this about core in application =D)
So the point is, there is actually no upper/mid/lower ivies, only the fittest for each individual. i believe that if you’re going for hotel management, you would def choose Cornell over Harvard. No?
And this is just what I thought! =)</p>
<p>donald trump went to penn… but BARACK OBAMA and the CEO of Citibank went to Columbia</p>
<p>Franklind D Roosevelt went to Columbia Law school btw</p>
<p>I don’t think that salaries necessarily determine how good a school is. A schol should teach their students how to think, not how to make money. I think Columbia is a stellar school for that.</p>
<p>I can’t read this anymore. It is idiotic.</p>