<p>Since when is Columbia a lower Ivy. Its obviously an upper-middle one.</p>
<p>I would choose Columbia over any Ivy at the undergrad level, except HP, I would even hesitate at Yale, mind you and would still consider Columbia. At grad level, there are pretty competitive depending on school, like Columbia business beats Yale business for example.</p>
<p>lol i’m sure there are plenty of well-known figures in history who went to ivy league schools: citing just a couple doesn’t prove anything. It doesn’t change the fact that all schools are in the ivy league and are great.
I don’t know why people continue to debate this; it’s not as if columbia ,or any other ivy league school for that matter, is fading in its prestige–jeese!</p>
<p>Yale business ahahah</p>
<p>lol Yale SOM (business) is a joke. It’s barely 20 years old.</p>
<p>Boy am I glad that I got into the Starfleet Academy and no longer have to participate in these silly debates.</p>
<p>This thread exemplifies the absurdity of college confidential. The insecurity, the flawed logic, all of it! Ahhh</p>
<p>^ I couldn’t agree more.</p>
<p>This pathetic thread must be deeply embarrassing to both Columbia and Penn because of contributors who (almost certainly falsely) claim to be university students at those schools. (They come across as prestige-obsessed high-school students, with no idea what they plan to study.) I don’t see contributors from Brown or Cornell (or Swarthmore, or Haverford, or Amherst) needing to dump on some other school in order to defend their own position.</p>
<p>It might pay for some of you to look into comparative strengths of different schools in different areas of study instead of obsessing on rejection rates (the fact that you focus on that is what marks you as not-very-thoughtful high school students, or the parents of same.) If you did that, some of you might notice why Cornell, which several of you depore, consistently outperforms most if not all of the other Ivys in biology, chemistry, physics, computer science, and virtually every field of engineering, and holds its own nicely in English, history, political science, mathematics, economics, etc. Its East Asia and Latin America programs are good and its Southeast Asia Program is far and away the best in the world. Italian Renaissance literature students at Cornell benefit from an extraordinary Dante collection, the same for students of Wordsworth well, you get the point. Columbia and Penn have similar strengths, which if you were students there, you might have noticed. Just in my area (comparative politics), I would consider studying Russia at Columbia and South Asia at Penn. And I would know better than to go to Harvard to study Southeast Asia. I hold no brief for Cornell, but I know that Ivy League and similar colleges and universities are institutions of higher learning, not snob factories.</p>
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<p>I’d say it depends on how NYC evolves in the coming years. Columbia’s fate is tied with that of NYC. WHen NYC floundered, so did Columbia. When the finance boom took off and NYC blossomed, Columbia blossomed with it. (as muerta noticed)</p>
<p>Now that NYC’s golden goose is toast, the odds of NYC resuming its postwar decline, while still unlikely, are far likelier than they were 2 years ago…</p>
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a full 1/3 of Penn students are in preprofessional programs that do not send many people to law schools. Same goes for Cornell. You can’t really compare them on a per capita basis.</p>
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<p>LOL Spoken like a true Cornell-ian. Jeeze people from Cornell can be so insecure sometimes. More so than us Quakers (who are pretty insecure, I guess), so thats saying something.</p>
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I wouldn’t be so insecure if only my father had loved me more.</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale</p>
<p>In terms of reputation and recognition around the world, Harvard, Yale, Princeton are the top 3.
Followed by Brown, Columbia = UPenn, and Cornell and then Dartmouth.</p>
<p>I dont know which one comes first, Brown or Columbia.</p>
<p>But they’re all really excellent schools.</p>
<p>In terms of how happy the students are, I’m not sure that students are Princeton are as happy as they are at Dartmouth. According to the clips on theU.com, Princeton students seem pretty discontent.</p>
<p>I would say Columbia comes way before Brown. Whereas Columbia has been a well-known national institution of higher learning for at least a century, Brown has only begun to emerge from its provincial status during the 60s. Due to its lack of graduate research, I would argue that even Penn and Cornell are better known among the average person.</p>
<p>okay… So If you go to Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth or Brown you’re going to be poor for the rest of your life and people will think your an idiot, “Jeff, he went to Columbia”, “Yeah Matt, I guess he had a 2290 and not a 2350. What an IDIOT hahahhahah.” God, people on collegeconfidential can be idiots sometimes.</p>
<p>so most of the people who’ve had a firm opinion in this matter are columbia, cornell, or penn 2013 kids… which means they haven’t even set foot on their respective campuses yet (aside from campus visits). i can certainly see why each argument is so convincing.</p>
<p>U.S. IVY league ranking 2008
Princeton
Harvard
Yale
UPenn
Columbia
Dartmouth
Cornell
Brown </p>
<p>2009</p>
<p>Harvard
Princeton
Yale
Upenn
Columbia
Darmouth
Cornell
Brown</p>
<p>WORLD RANKINGs
- Harvard
- Yale
- Columbia (yes above every other Ivy including PRINCETON)</p>
<p>So there there are many opinions both national and worldwide which vary from year to year. THEY ARE OPINIONS SO WHO REALLY CARES. Just remember if you’re in the Ivy league than you’re an Ivy leaguer no matter which of the 8 Ivy league schools you end up attending.</p>
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<p>No: you do not necessarily play a position on a sports team on behalf of an institution that composes an elite and exclusive athletic conference.</p>
<p>this thread really needs to die…</p>
<p>and yet you bump it?! be the solution, dude.</p>