Would you send your daughters to Baylor?

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{quote]criminal law attorney to enlighten us on whether these tests can be met in a case like this.

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Why? There are no criminal actions alleged here. Class action is not for criminal cases, only civil. She’s alleging that actions taken/not taken by the university violated her civil rights. Some of the facts alleged involve crimes, but it is the violation of civil rights that is in question. She doesn’t have to prove the crime even occurred, only that she reported some actions to the university and they did nothing, or that the university directed actions that caused her harm, and the university’s action or inaction violated her civil rights.

She claimed diversity jurisdiction to get into federal court. I don’t think she wants it to be a class action as she’s claiming her own damages, not that all members of the Bruin hostesses were equally damaged.

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I haven’t paid too much attention to this story but the lawsuit intrigued me. I just found a pretty good synopsis of her suit written by a lawyer for SI. He also touches on the NCAA which came up earlier in the thread and the statute of limitations issue with Title IX and a general negligence claim.

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I know very little about Baylor but what is reported in the ESPN article linked below is a red flag to me. Apparently in the last 3 years 2 of Baylor’s Title IX coordinators have resigned. Both have complaints pending with the DOE contending it was impossible to perform their jobs. The ESPN article does attempt to provide both sides and includes responses from Baylor officials.

The Title IX officer Lyons (who was only with Baylor for 7 months in 2015) did say that less than 1/3 of her own caseload involved the football team, but stated she faced intimidation when she tried to investigate those particular cases. She also said this:

http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/18509557/former-title-ix-officer-accuses-baylor-bears-discrimination-intimidation

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I think there were red flags…I have to believe that the atmosphere is more vigilant both in administration and within the athletic organization now…or one would hope.

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I went back and looked at the complaint again. Just one plaintiff (Eliz. Doe) v. Baylor. No individuals named from the school or team as defendants, only Baylor. Her main attorney is from Boulder, with a local counsel from Waco. She’s just asked for damages, with no amount mentioned.

It is no slam dunk for her. Although there are other instances mention, her main claim is that one night she went to the big blow out party Baylor is known for (not on campus), got falling down drunk, and doesn’t remember bringing the two football players back to HER apartment. The boy her roommate was dating found them in her room and demanded the football players open the door. Another of the Bruin hostesses arrived and I believe the police were call but there is no police report or at least one wasn’t given to the school. Miss Doe cannot remember a lot of what happened.

The football player she named as the rapist left school shortly after the incident, I believe before the Title IX board did anything.

I predict a quite settlement. This woman will not want to testify about these facts and Baylor will be paying people off for years.

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One teen is claiming it was a sexual assault, the other claimed it was consensual.

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@243 … would early admissions applications be relevant if the scandal really didn’t hit the national media until after their deadline? I would think a more relative gauge will be the number of applications for the 2018-2019 year.

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Baylor did the right thing in hiring the law firm to do an independent study of what happened and that report lead to the firing of Starr and others. Hardly the actions of a university that didn’t realize mistakes had been made. Hardly the actions of a community resistant to change. That report also opens Baylor up to lawsuits and financial settlements.

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I will give Baylor credit for owning the problem – that report is a total and complete “mea culpa.” Let’s see what they do in the long term. Change is not going to happen overnight.

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I highly doubt Baylor University told in any way, shape or form the hostess/greeters to have sex with football recruits or players nor do I think that if they told hostess/greeters to make sure the recruits and payers had a good time the were referring to having sex with them.Do I think the athletic departed turned a blind idea if they caught a whiff of the activities of some of the greeters and football players…absolutely. The athletic department definitely put the university administration in high risk and very much deserved to lose their jobs. I would think any greeters that heard that claim and enjoyed their experiences as greeters would be highly upset and very happy to refute that outrageous claim. I do give Baylor credit for hiring an outside investigation and for firing people they felt were involved in covering up information or actions.

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“Would I send my D’s to B if I had D’s? Yes. If I had raised D’s they would know by college age not to be victims and not to live their lives in fear.”

I promised myself not to respond again but i must at least respond to this.

Millions of women who were raised NOT to be victims are raped every year. Please don’t continue with this line of thinking. I have a close friend who was raped. Expert in the martial arts. Supremely fit and athletic. Victim of nobody and did not live in fear.

Bottom line- a woman who is stone cold sober and prepared to defend herself can find herself in the wrong place at the wrong time (she was walking to her car in a parking garage- a garage with security cameras everywhere and armed security guards at the front gate) through NO fault of her own. She chose to survive the ordeal rather than fight back and risk her life-- good decision for the people who love her.

You are really going to raise your daughters so they can fend off each and every attack or attacker regardless of the circumstances? Wow. That’s hubris.

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Closing thread. At this point it’s just a circular debate with a few users. As I have stated many many times on threads that users here have been on: CC is not a debate society. Multiple posts deleted.