Would you visit your m-i-l in these circumstances?

<p>I absolutely wouldn’t go and your wife needs to communicate the why’s to her parents. </p>

<p>What I’m confused about is why the double standard, that the other siblings get to have fun/vacation while they are visiting but not the OP and his family? </p>

<p>My husband and I “vacation” often at my parents because they live in S. Florida and it is a cheap vacation for us, but we don’t do anything, unless it’s something very minor. There are these people called handymen they hire and who the OP’s in-laws should be calling.</p>

<p>OP- just curious, what does your wife want to do? How does she think/feel about the ongoing disparity in financial treatment, like paying for all the other dinners, but not yours? (another thread)</p>

<p>My MIL when we first married would invite everyone to Thanksgiving dinner and then announce after dinner that we should go wash their RV for fun–and she meant it too.</p>

<p>I’m wondering if the responses to the OP are dictated by differing personality types and/or differences in gender/family socialization. </p>

<p>In my extended family, the MIL’s behavior in expecting guests to do any chores around the house would be considered unconscionable behavior by the hosting family…especially if the invitation was supposed to be “vacation”. As far as they’re concerned…the host and his/her family are supposed to do all the work to entertain/make the visit as pleasant and comfortable as possible. </p>

<p>When I have guests stay/visit me…I DON’T want them to have to feel they need to pitch in or do any work/chores…though I appreciate the offers. Likewise, most of my friends feel the same way when they host me on visits…though I do try to offer to help. </p>

<p>In fact, when I was asked apologetically by a friend who was hosting a party to help him clean up afterwards because he and his wife were overwhelmed and tired…I was surprised for a moment because of my socialization…though I pitched in without any complaints because I can clearly see he/family were overwhelmed. </p>

<p>However, I know better than to tell any family members about this because doing so will prompt endless umbrage at how “rude” and “uncultured” he was as the party’s host to think of asking an invited guest to help with chores.</p>

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<p>Why are you so judgmental? This kind of preachy attitude is not attractive. You don’t know the whole story, and based on what’s given to us, I can see why OP is reluctant to comply. </p>

<p>Don’t judge other people so readily unless you think you are perfect and will do everything and anything YOUR in laws are asking you to do unconditionally.</p>

<p>The MIL yelled at him!! Unless she has dementia, or he ran over her foot with the car, he is right to leave her behavior unrewarded. And if he does go and she puts one toe out of line, he should leave.</p>

<p>@cobrat I see your point and I agree with you. We always do everything when hosting too. </p>

<p>However, I think OP’s situation is different because it is family and an extended visit. Depending on how close the family members are, would determine whether or not to ask for help. If you are very close, I think it’s fine to ask for some help. This is not the case with OP.</p>

<p>gourmetmom, did you miss this post by the OP?</p>

<p>"Other family members, who are planning on staying 9 days, will not be expected to help out. They’ll spend the week doing fun things that people normally do in vacation towns.</p>

<p>The last time I visited her I tried to take my family to do one 3 hour activity for fun out of a 5 day trip, and I literally got screamed at for being so being so rude. It was something that we had pre-arranged to do, but apparantly the rules all changed once we arrived.</p>

<p>EmeraldKity, if I thought in a million years that spend a few days helping out around the house would create a good relationship between my m-i-l and me, I’d do it in a heartbeat. That’d be something that no money could ever buy"</p>

<p>It seems like you did. This is the reason why people are inflamed about the OP being treated so poorly, and still expected to be the handyman. Do you consider this to be not relevant, are you ignoring it, or did you just miss it?</p>

<p>First of all, I can easily see how this can turn into a several hundred dollar trip that eats into someone’s vacation time just coming and going. We don’t know how long the OP has been at his job; perhaps he’s in a newer job and only gets two weeks vacation, which means 80% of it might be spent on driving to/from with a couple of hotel nights thrown in if it’s more than 1,000 miles each way, plus gas for the car. So you’ve not only spent the money to get there, but you’ve eaten into 80% of your own vacation time that you now do not have to spend with your own family. When our kids were little and H had only had two weeks of vacation, we NEVER took a true family vacation. It wasn’t until he had more time that we actually took them to Disney World; they were in 5th and 8th grade by then. Every other trip we took before then was either to visit parents (thankfully they did not require work from us) or we’d drive to one of H’s conferences and tack on an extra few days to see sights in the area. In the meantime, his company was already paying for his hotel room, so it didn’t cost us extra, except for the extras days we’d stay beyond the conference. And when he didn’t fly, they’d reimburse mileage to drive to the conference. Of course, during those conference days, I was usually left to find ways to entertain the kids until H was done, then we’d all try to do something fun in the evening. Don’t get me wrong, we did have some amazing trips worked around conferences… Bozeman, Montana which we were able to see the Badlands, Yellowstone and the Lewis and Clark Trail, as well as some Little House on the Prairie stuff on our way back in Minnesota. When he had a trip to Williamsburg, VA, there were a ton of things to do, and after that conference was over, we drove to the NC outer banks and stayed there several nights. But even taking those days as vacation days around the conference ate into his two weeks he got each year. Then we still had to figure out how to see family at least once a year, who all lived 1000+ miles away. Four airfares were incredibly expensive for us at that time, so we often did those trips as driving trips, which again, ate into his vacation time. I began to resent that we never got to just plan a vacation that didn’t have anything to do with a conference or visiting family, so in 1999, we finally did that when we went to Disney World. I told H we needed to do it, to spend time alone with just our kids and create some family memories that weren’t tied to something else. Once we did it once, we were sold, and made more attempts to do so more often. Of course it became easier as his vacation time increased, and his salary increased so we weren’t limited to driving places. But it was important to me that we spent time together, just as a family without any influence of anyone else’s agenda. As it was, it wasn’t long after that, that it seemed like we started spending more time flying around the country for funerals as grandparents, then eventually parents started to die. </p>

<p>We, too, never had much luck getting the parents up to see us; my parents came perhaps twice in ten years, and H’s parents came once. Both sets of parents were retired and were financially able to do these trips (whether driving or flying). I began to resent (as did H) the fact that if we wanted to see them, we had to either nibble away at H’s vacation time, or spend big bucks to fly four of us somewhere. Yes, they are all gone now, but their missing out on time with us was partly their fault, too. The effort would have been MUCH easier on their part than ours, and they made a choice not to come more often, so I have no regrets that they did not see their grandchildren more often. I think D1 actually flew down to Houston a couple of times once she was old enough to spend a few nights with grandma and grandpa (which did not eat into H’s vacation time, nor did it cost us as much as flying all four of us down). D2 only went once… she never quite got over being homesick at as early an age as D1, so after the first time she went, she never went back alone. Neither one ever visited H’s parents alone. They never asked and we didn’t exactly feel safe sending them for several reasons… one being they had cats and both my kids, as well as my H were VERY allergic to cats (in fact, when H tried to tell his mom one time how we could never stay at her house if we visited, she accused him of lying about his cat allergy; believe me, if it weren’t so severe, we would have done it just to say, “I told you so.”</p>

<p>I read through a few of the OPs other posts, which give me the impression that he is overly preoccupied with money and finances, and is someone who has a very black and white view of the world. For example, on one thread he says that he doesn’t plan to make any charitable contributions at all until he is retired and he can decide where he’ll put his money. Apparently, not a single penny for the next thirty years or so. He also doesn’t believe in hot lunch programs because it just discourages lazy parents from making their kid’s lunches. Enough said.</p>

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<p>What I described as my extended family’s perspective on this would have applied to extended relatives visiting me or my immediate family as well. The only exceptions to this is if the relatives visiting are the children of the host him/her/themselves. </p>

<p>Heck, the older aunt/uncle with whom I was close and who insisted on paying me and then sending me off with a nice dinner for my computer help pointedly stopped me from even attempting to rinse a few dishes out once…they said they didn’t feel it is right for a guest…even close extended family to do chores that should be their/their children’s job as the hosting family.</p>

<p>^ I agree with you. But, I can understand exceptions, for instance an elderly parent having financial difficulty and having a close relationship with adult children. I can understand the elderly parent asking for assistance in that case. Also, in that case, it would be nice if the adult children just offered the help, without being asked.</p>

<p>Got it. Not supporting hot lunch programs entitles MIL to be abusive to the OP.</p>

<p>I am uncomfortable with pulling up people’s old posts to use against them in other threads. That doesn’t seem appropriate. God forbid people pulled up all my bad jokes and sarcasm to show my tacky sense of humor.</p>

<p>^^ I agree busdriver, it smacks of bad paparazzi tactics.</p>

<p>Jeepers I have not read the thread, only the OP. For the last 20 years one out of every two weeks vacation in our family has been spent with my parents (my h’s inlaws) including helping them with any home related tasks they had. We also got free lodging and some very nice meals (they paid) but it was not an exciting vacation away. Nonetheless it was great family time and we always tried to find something interesting to do whilst there. Like a day out somewhere. But in my world, if the folks need your help you give it. And vice versa.</p>

<p>Editing to add: when we were younger my mom would complain when DH wanted to rent a car and take the kids out to do stuff like (horrors) play a round of tennis; go to a bookstore; find a hotspot for computer, etc. We learned to stand up for ourselves. When Mom would start to try to stop us from going out (or DH from doing so) (for her it was fear based) we would just calmly say “we’re going, see you soon.” First few times it was some scary stuff but it got easier all the way around as the years passed. Drama ceased (internal as well as external.)</p>

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<p>I completely agree. It’s a form of stalking. This is a discussion forum. People’s opinions should be understood in the context of that discussion without having their thoughts buried in a deep archaeological site somewhere else drudged up as a basis for personal attacks. I find it very distasteful. </p>

<p>Back to OP’s issue. Regarding the whole issue of inheritance. Why shouldn’t this be a consideration? I am NOT saying if you are not benefiting from the will, you shouldn’t help at all. On the contrary, I would be glad to help my in laws or parents if they are destitute. If there is NO money to go to any person, no problem. You still help. It’s the right thing to do.</p>

<p>However, it’s an entirely another story all together if there is a clear indication that the parents are planning to leave assets to OTHER siblings while they expect OP and his wife to do all the heavy lifting to maintain and increase the value of the asset. This is exploitative. This is dishonest. I see NO reason whatsoever why the OP should be the sucker in this dysfunctional family dynamics. In a way, he is demanded to sacrifice his vacation to increase the value of the assets that will be passed to the other siblings who won’t lift a finger. Why should he do it? I won’t. </p>

<p>Again, I am saying taking OP’s point of view on a face value. If the reality is different, then all bets are off.</p>

<p>As in so many of these kind of threads, I ended up with more questions than answers. </p>

<p>Was the MIL upset about the OP taking off for three hours because they made plans or because the timing of those plans were not communicated very well or in a way that avoided inconveniencing the whole family? Did they go off or exclude others in a way that wasn’t too nice? How does the OP define “yell?” </p>

<p>As for this trip , it’s not clear to what extent the OP is going to be asked to help out or if he’s exaggerating the commitment. He may be the one to ask because of his abilities and skills. H is also pretty handy and helps with a smile on his face whenever we visit either family. Other family members may contribute differently at different times and in different situations. </p>

<p>Good communication and repeated reminders may be necessary if the OP and his family want to make plans on their own. Normally, I’d say the wife should talk to her parents to ensure that the couple gets time to themselves, but I get the feeling that part of the issue may be that the wife doesn’t find anything wrong with the expectations and that she enjoys just being with the family. If that’s the case, the real issue is between the OP and his wife. </p>

<p>As for the siblings, fair is not always equal. Helping a struggling child is the in-law’s prerogative and if the OP is fortunate enough not to be in that position, it’s really none of his business, whether the issue is a few lousy dinners or a future share in a house (which we don’t even know is the case). The fact that the in-laws pay only for the needy siblings, and don’t hire help may suggest that their finances may not be as solid as the OP imagines, vacation house or no. The OP might have his own private thoughts on all this,particularly if he has reason to think the siblings are being enabled, but the attitude that everything has to be divided up equally at all times or it’s not “fair” is one that I don’t relate to.</p>

<p>Finally, to the OP - if you have younger children, you might want to justify making the trip if for no other reason than you are a strong role model to them regarding the value of family connections and being willing to do for family. What goes around often comes around.</p>

<p>I always find it fascinating how people see life differently. </p>

<p>Unless there were a legitimate reason for not having ANY relationship with parents or in-laws, I know my DH and I would take at least a PORTION of our vacation time to help our folks with work that needed to be accomplished on their home. Oh, I might grumble a little - I am not always a cheerful giver - but I just feel an obligation to be helpful to the people who raised me and my husband. </p>

<p>On the other hand, I do expect to be treat respectfully. If someone were to berate me I know that I would stand my ground. Not fuss and argue, just state how I would like to be treated. </p>

<p>So, in answer to the OP’s original question - I would visit, but not for my entire vacation.</p>

<p>I went back and see that his wife feels hesitant about the trip, too, that the inheritance of the house isn’t really a big issue for the OP, and that he doesn’t think there is likely to be anything left by then, anyway. So the in-laws are obviously not rolling in dough. </p>

<p>If the OP knows for a fact that the time commitment to those repairs is going to be very time consuming and completely overwhelming, nothing wrong with the wife calling and say “Mom and Dad - I know you have a lot of repairs to do on the house, and H is very happy to pitch in to help - but I also want to make sure that he also gets some time to rest and relax when we are there- he’s been so busy and stressed out at work lately.” </p>

<p>But from what he says, it also sounds as if the issues between the OP and his in-laws go a bit deeper than all this.</p>

<p>IME, by the time someone is ready to not go and see the relatives, at all, there’s a long history that has gotten very complicated to untangle.</p>

<p>Let’s say it was just a long history, then a weekend with the in-laws is more than enough to take care of any family obligations, it the OP feels any.</p>

<p>There is no need to spend an entire two weeks in an uncomfortable set of circumstances and call it a “vacation.” </p>

<p>And you know what? I don’t even care WHY the situation is uncomfortable. It’s just simply not necessary even if the reason is “We prefer to vacation in __________.” </p>

<p>“No” is a complete sentence, though “No thank you,” tends to be more palatable. Also, “I’m sorry, it just won’t be possible.”</p>