I have watched the video many times, very carefully.
At this moment, I respect the “shrieking woman” significantly more than NC.
The fact that she is bearing the brunt of the fallout from the encounter is one of the reasons that at this time I feel that NC has demonstrated that he does not have what it takes to be the master of any house that I would want my kids to live in.
I read his letter very carefully and was not impressed. It does not appear that he is taking any responsibility for the incident, and it is not clear to me that he even understands what went on let alone learned anything from it.
Hunt - it was your “huh?” post (I can’t find it now) that got me trying to reconcile his behavior with his words. So far, I have not been able to, so I measure his words very carefully. I haven’t pronounced him guilty, but my guard is up.
It will certainly be interesting to see what becomes of NC/EC as Master and associate Master. I liked his letter very much, but we are not insiders to the process. It is hard to judge the overall circumstances from afar. I daresay that none of us are really capable of knowing everything behind the incident.
“I’d also say that even if so, a couple of jerks do not necessarily represent a movement.”
So a couple of jerks who think that sombreros or NA headdresses are great Halloween costumes are a scourge that needs to be protested because they are symbolic of Systematic Underlying Racism, but a couple of jerks who get in the face of / scream at students just minding their own business are no big deal and don’t represent anything other than defensible passion in their cause. Got it.
The Dartmouth Review is NOT an official Dartmouth publication. Instead, while they write mostly about and for the conservative members of the Dartmouth community, they are actually an independent publication run off-campus for the purposes of not being under the Dartmouth administration’s regulatory jurisdiction.
In that respect, they’re no different than some underground student organizations which organize and base themselves off-campus and run themselves independently of the college their members are a part of in an attempt to avoid scrutiny/regulatory control from that college’s admins.
Edit: Tried to put a link to their “about” section to comment about it, but it seems their server is having some technical difficulties atm.
Further, I actually do not agree that “a couple of jerks who think that sombreros or NA headdresses are great Halloween costumes are a scourge that needs to be protested because they are symbolic of Systematic Underlying Racism”.
I think the two costume-wearers should be educated about what others find offensive there and why.
I think anyone at Dartmouth who got in the face of/screamed at people (I would make sure that by “scream at people” we’re not talking about general chanting such as we saw in the video), needs some education about sensitivity and what offends others as well.
I did not ever say that either set of jerks represented anyone though, you seem to be arguing with yourself.
This movement must have some feckless, weak, loser leaders if they cannot tell such jerks to get out of their way and not join them. For every group I was President or leader of, no darn way could such people would ever be allowed to join us.
Interesting though how posters here think they can pick and choose who represents what movement and what group, but somehow the same movement or group cannot tell the jerks to back off.
However, note that the movement or group has no problem telling white kids to back off. Thus, I rightfully conclude that the movement does no mind having these jerks, and these jerks do represent them.
Thank god for foreign workers because hiring these kids would be a travesty. Keep filming so serious companies can keep identifying them.
It would seem that if this actually happened in the library there might be more about it, given the visibility of the screaming girl. Not clear if the Dartmouth Daily News item that can’t be accessed included this or not. As OhMom said, must reserve judgement until there is some actual evidence that anything of the kind actually occurred. I am now wondering about the “student protester” who wrote about this. Seemed sincere, but could be an untrue attempt to undermine the protests.
I know nothing about the Dartmouth Review, but most colleges have independent papers that aren’t the “official” school newspaper. As with anything, some of these indie papers are good and some are bad. The fact that they’re not the official Dartmouth newspaper means nothing.
The Dartmouth Review is pretty famous as an independent student newspaper. Being able to work at the review is one of the reasons some people apply to Dartmouth.
The Dartmouth Review have long been known for arguing in favor of right-leaning causes such as being against divestment of college investments in Apartheid era South Africa in the 1980’s and according to those I know who attended D, are known for being extremely selective in their reporting to carry water for right-wing causes/activist groups.
Hence my comparison with the Maoist International Movement’s Notes which has similarly strident and extremely selective reporting in order to carry water for their exceedingly extreme radical lefty causes/activist groups.
Are you suggesting that because they are a right-leaning publication, they just made the story up out of whole cloth and it bears no relationship to reality? The WSJ and the NYTimes lean right and left respectively, but both sources are pretty accurate in their reporting - it’s just their editorial opinion that is different.
I don’t think any ivy league institution will have any dearth of students applying. I don’t think that any student who wants to study and get a great degree will have any problem doing so at Dartmouth, or at any other of the many colleges in the recent spotlight.
I can’t remember the last time I was on a college campus where there wasn’t some type of protest or demonstration or cause-promotion or rally going on somewhere on the quad or public area, admittedly usually much more quietly and on a much smaller scale.
Not because they are a right-leaning publication alone, but that along with hearing from most Dartmouth alums I know that they’ve been known to heavily exaggerate and play up bad points while downplaying/omitting other aspects of the story which might have made their attempts to stoke up outrage among their mainly conservative readership much less compelling when Dartmouth insiders who were there explain what was left out, downplayed, or exaggerated for partisan effect.
That and my own reading of that publication in the past caused me to view it in the same tone/light as the Maoist International Movement’s Notes newspaper. Good for learning about their particular political slant and laughs…but not a reliable veritable source of news.
And even if other publications reports are largely accurate, their political slants can influence coverage such as what is “newsworthy” and thus, worthy of coverage.
While the NYT may be considered left to those whose politics are right-leaning, they are at most barely left-of center to centrist…especially after 2001. And among most Western European friends/colleagues*, their impressions is the NYT is much more like their right-leaning papers back in their respective home countries and react with ROTFLOL when told it’s considered a “liberal” or a left-leaning paper.
Only exception is a handful with extremely right nationalistic politics with Fascistic sympathies(i.e. French Le Pen supporters).