Young teen comes out--sweet story

<p>It doesn’t sound as if this kid was sexually active at all, and since when has sex been necessary to determine whether one is gay or straight?</p>

<p>I don’t understand why you’re bringing up the possibility of your son’s, uh, interest. A sexual fetish (which is what I’m going to call the farm animal thing…) is entirely different than the romantic, emotional, and sexual attraction inherent in hetero/homosexuality. It is not appropriate for someone to discuss sexual proclivities with their parents, but it is appropriate to say “I’m gay” in order to halt the parents’ common assumption of their child’s heterosexuality (which affects many everyday conversations) and in order to share a very significant and public part of that person’s life.</p>

<p>I am the parent of 2 straight kids who have many gay friends. Because we are in the SF bay area, there are a lot of resources available for gay teens – and many kids may have grown up, as mine did, meeting many openly gay adults and at times attending gay-themed events (Gay pride parade etc.). So my experience here is that most gay males “come out” at around the time they hit puberty. This makes sense to me, since puberty would be the time any young person would start becoming more acutely aware of sexual urges and attraction. Again - this is in the context of a supportive social environment – both my kids attended high schools where there were openly gay male and female teachers on the faculty, so it would also be easy for such kids to find adult role models or an adult to confide in if they want support. It also would be fairly easy to find activities and groups geared to gay teenagers and under-21’s. </p>

<p>I was assuming that perhaps Zach’s community didn’t have such resources, and that may have been why the parents sought out a gay therapist. </p>

<p>In any case, while I didn’t prepare for it, I found that when my daughter was in high school and still young enough that I ended up driving her and her friends around (i.e., daughter under 16), I ended up being asked for dating/relationship by her gay friends. For example, one time a 15 year old boy asked me if I thought it would be o.k. for him to be dating a 22-year-old man. Not being a gay-relationship expert, I decided to answer the question the same way as I would have if a my daughter had – I talked about the different expectations that older people have in a relationship, the ways in which the younger person might get hurt. I was very much relieved when I learned that the boy merely had a crush on an older man, and did not actually have a relationship with the object of his affection. </p>

<p>I think I was asked this question simply because the boys felt uncomfortable talking to their own parents. I do think that it may be harder for gay boys because the “rules” about what is appropriate and not during the adolescent years are not as clear – and of course, in most cases, the gay kids have straight parents who probably aren’t very knowledgeable about it.</p>

<p>Anyway: to higherlead - young gay teenagers do not necessarily have sex. They do the things that other young teenagers do – starting with handholding, hugging and kissing, moving on to more when they feel ready. As noted, when I was asked for advice, I simply gave the boys the same answers I would give my daughter at the same age – I talked about the importance of relationships, of reserving sexual intimacy for a partner in a situation of deep love, trust, and mutual respect, etc. I am aware that my “advice” could be seen as naive – and I have no particular reason to think that it was heeded – but hey, that’s the kind of advice these boys are going to get if they go around asking somebody’s mom. It sounds pretty consistent with your statement, “I would want to raise a kid capable of stable long lasting human relationships.” – that is exactly what I hoped to encourage the gay teens to do. </p>

<p>I did have some issues with the way the article was written, but I think the point (though badly expressed) was to show a family that was accepting and supportive, perhaps hoping that reading that would encourage other families dealing with the same issue to do the same. I do not think a young gay teen needs a therapist to deal with his homosexuality, but he may need a therapist to help come to terms with his emotions in connection with accepting and expressing his sexual orientation.</p>

<p>higherlead, read corranged’s comments. She has replied to your posts with maturity and insight beyond her years, and just as well as I could have. She is absolutely right that the individuals who experiment in certain situations, never identify as gay and go through the process of coming out to their families. </p>

<p>The issue of having older gay mentors is an important one, and if more information were given in the article, we would probably see that that is what the focus was at the bingos. This is the problem with analyzing someone’s life based on a short, edited article in a newspaper, which may or may not be entirely factual. The introduction of the topics of pedophilia and having sex with farm animals is an excellent example of why kids who have supportive families in the coming out process, and beyond, are very fortunate indeed.</p>

<p>Thank you, Alwaysamom. :)</p>

<p>“I take it, then, that since less than 5% of the U.S. adolescent population intends to become ballerinas, even though becoming a ballerina is not pathological, a 13-year-old girl who announces that she wants to devote her life to ballet should be taken to a psychiatrist”</p>

<p>If I had a dime for every 13 year old girl who wanted to be a ballerina I could be dictating this to a lackey who could both spell and type. As you noted very few of those girls end up being ballerinas and at 25 most of them are happy it turned out that way.</p>

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I take it, then, that since less than 5% of the U.S. adolescent population intends to become ballerinas, even though becoming a ballerina is not pathological, a 13-year-old girl who announces that she wants to devote her life to ballet should be taken to a psychiatrist, because she needs a medical doctor to explain that adolescents often have confusing feelings and her goals may change later in life. Furthermore, if she wants to attend dance clinics and backstage meetings with professional ballerinas who encourage her to prance around the room in a tiara, that is the equivalent of adults giving her pornography, as it is not age appropriate."</p>

<p>BTW I have never worked with a person gay or straight who wears a tiara. Transvestism though hardly limited to the gay community is indicative of serious psychological problems.</p>

<p>How is wanting to wear a dress indicative of psychological problems?</p>

<p>Boy, that’s kind of a logical leap there: Wearing tiara = transvestite = raving lunatic. Are pro wrestlers that wore feather boas in the same boat?</p>

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Uh, wearing a tiara on one occassion isn’t the same thing as someone who “wears a tiara” in the way you put it. I’m sure there are a number of people you work with who have put a tiara on at one point or another. </p>

<p>I disagree with your last statement as well, though it’s certainly on a different point. Actually, everything you’ve said recently has been on tangent points or have consisted of random statements that you don’t explain.</p>

<p>“How is wanting to wear a dress indicative of psychological problems?”</p>

<p>It is not if you are a woman. If you are a man transvestism is either a sexual fetish or your perceived/prefered gender doesn’t match your sex. Anyway you look at it that is a problem.</p>

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Though off topic, I disagree that a sexual fetish (minus anything non-consensual) or perceived gender differing from physical sex are psychological problems that ought to be cured through therapy or medication. In any event, this article mentioned neither case.</p>

<p>corranged, congratulations on another reasoned, mature and (much-needed) patient response. </p>

<p>How this story of a gay boy in a wonderful, supporting family has morphed into discussion of farm animals and transvestism is just plain old sad, but unfortunately typical. There was no mention, nor indication, whatsoever of transvestism in that article. If everyone who has donned a piece of clothing or an accessory, in costume, has a ‘problem’, you could fill every sports stadium and arena in the country, many times over. Ignorance is a far greater problem.</p>

<p>Lesson to all (not for the first time): don’t parade your kids’ lives on the pages of the NYT. Imo, this boy has been grievously exploited.</p>

<p>wearing a tiara on one occassion isn’t the same thing as someone who “wears a tiara” in the way you put it. I’m sure there are a number of people you work with who have put a tiara on at one point or another.</p>

<p>My daughter wore a tiara to her senior prom
she also wore sparkly pink tulle skirt and had a corsage-* and went with a boy!*
she is always one to push the envelope ;)</p>

<p>on the otherhand- it takes a [certain</a> kind of person to wear a tiara with panache](<a href=“http://www.historylink.org/db_images/gertrudelaugh.JPG]certain”>http://www.historylink.org/db_images/gertrudelaugh.JPG)</p>

<p>One of my daughter’s gay male friends used to come over to the house when they were teenagers and quite literally would play “dressup” with my daughter. Much giggling and they would both emerge from her bedroom with tiara’s and feathered boas and long flowing scarves or whatever else they had on hand. The boy - now a man in his 20’s, is physically quite masculine, very muscular, and dresses like any other guy on the street – neither flamboyant nor a candidate for inclusion on the cast of “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy”. Given his appearance, I would think that his current boy friend is likely attracted to him for his masculinity. </p>

<p>My son, who is straight, enjoyed attending the “cross-dressers ball” at his college during his freshman year, and shared a snapshot where he was in a dress, wig and makeup, looking quite lovely. This was several years ago and I advised him to save the picture for use in the event the government reinstated the draft. (It was to be Exhibit A in the “don’t ask, don’t tell” department)</p>

<p>I think it is going rather far to equate a little bit of fun with a habit of cross-dressing. Gays seem to be a little more comfortable with costumes and being theatrical – at least around the bay area, the “happening” places to be on Halloween night have always been the gay areas – but I think that’s simply cultural – they are hanging around with a more accepting crowd.</p>

<p>“Though off topic, I disagree that a sexual fetish (minus anything non-consensual) or perceived gender differing from physical sex are psychological problems that ought to be cured through therapy or medication. In any event, this article mentioned neither case.”</p>

<p>So falling in love with yout neighbors hen is not a problem?</p>

<p>If you don’t think gender identification problems should be solved through therapy or medication can I assume you are also opposed to solving them with a scalpel and sex reassignment surgery? Why do I ask questions I already know the answer to?</p>

<p>Really your agenda is overwhelmingly obvious here.</p>

<p>I’m not sure whether it’s actually possible to fall in love with a hen… Sex with a hen is certainly not consensual for the poor hen, though (or your neighbor). </p>

<p>I do not think that gender identification issues should be considered psychological problems that require a therapy/medication cure. I believe that the individual should work in whatever way possible to feel comfortable with their gender and physical sex. This may involve surgery, therapy, or a combination. The goal of therapy should be the comfort and well-being of the individual. I do not believe that it is a psychological problem that requires a “cure.” </p>

<p>What would you define my “agenda” as?</p>

<p>Sex with animals is legal in Denmark. There are bordellos if you have an inclination <a href=“http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1458080.ece[/url]”>http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1458080.ece&lt;/a&gt;. We are assured the animals don’t mind, and as you said as long as it is consensual you are not in need of psycholgical counseling just because you have an unusual sexual fetish.</p>

<p>Way to focus on the important things. Don’t think that I (or anyone else reading this thread) haven’t noticed the fact that you continue to abandon your arguments once they are challenged and instead switch your focus onto a minute, unrelated detail that you have somehow worked into the discussion. </p>

<p>I don’t think that this is an appropriate thread for my opinions on bestiality, acceptable vs. unacceptable forms of animal cruelty, or the laws of Denmark unless you can give me a reasonable reason why it would connect to the discussion about whether or not psychological counseling is necessary for teenage boys who come out to their parents because of the possibility that their attractions may shift later in life.</p>

<p>Coming out to loving parents and sent to a few counseling sessions with a therapist to explore reasons for his depression and who didn’t introduce him to adult “mentors,” would have been a sweet story–if we never had to know about it.</p>

<p>However, now that he’s been made one of the many poster children for the NYT’s agenda, in addition to being exploited by his own parents to prove their “tolerance” to the world, I feel for this kid.</p>