What stats do you need for a Preread. I am currently at a 1420 sat 790 math and 630 reading with a 3.4 GPA and 11 AP classes taken with 30 offered at my school. Along with that I have taken 8 AICE classes with 55 offered. I am planning on taking the SAT in June as my previous SAT was taken without studying and 3 lessons of tutoring, expecting a 1500 for the retake. Will this be good enough for the Pre-read? Is Academic Index even used anymore? What’s the minimal stats to pass the Pre-read? This whole process is very confusing and is lacking current information on the topic from what I could find. I know this a lot of questions but I am worried about the process.
The academic stats required for the Ivies will vary by school, as well as program/intended major, team, coach, and how strong the recruit is.
Only the coaches can answer your questions. Most are pretty good at understanding what admissions needs to see for a successful pre-read. Have you received any feedback from coaches yet?
The recruiting process can be challenging and stressful. All you can do is control what you can control. Ask the coaches questions about their process and the timing of things. Make sure to cast a wide net as well. Lastly, many potential recruits have a separate list of schools where they would apply in the case recruiting doesn’t work out. Good luck.
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I would think 3.4 GPA wouldn’t pass the pre read though.
What exact APs and AICE classes have you taken?
Will you have 4 years in each of the 5 core subjects? Bio Chem Physics ? Level 4 in a foreign language? Math through precalc/calc?
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I’ve had students with GPAs (unweighted) quite a bit lower than 3.4 and little rigor go to Ivies (and succeed there.) It really is dependent on the strength of the athlete. Only the coaches will be able to direct this student.
ETA: It used to be the AI minimum was 176 (not sure that’s still the case at the schools that calculate an AI.) I’ve only seen scores approaching anything that low (usually still above 200) for helmet sports, maybe a few M basketball.
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AP Classes Taken: AP Statistics, AP US History, AP Lang, AP Biology, AP Human Geography, AP Precalc, AP Lit, AP US Gov, AP Microeconomics, AP Physics, and AP Calculus.
AICE Classes Taken: AICE Gen Paper, AICE Digital Media, AICE US History, AICE International History, AICE SPORT, AICE Lang, AICE Math, and AICE Global Perspectives.
My GPA is low because I have a condition where I have to take a medication which is also a Immunosuppressant causing me to miss a lot of school.
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I’m sorry to hear this. Do you anticipate missing a lot of classes and/or practices during college? I would encourage you to consider what the life of a student athlete in college entails…talk to potential teammates, coaches, your parents, your physicians so that you can make the best choice for you.
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Its okay. I do not anticipate missing a lot of practices during college, or missing classes during college as my classes in college would not be everyday and I was recently diagnosed with the condition so it is bad right now but by college I am sure it will be better controlled. With practices for my sport currently I miss very minimal days and I am one of the most consistent of the guys that go to the club. I will be speaking with my physician today to make sure it will be okay.
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Even within the same university, the minimum AI varies by sport.
That is the definitive answer
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My AI should be around 220+ by the time of recruitment. The first time I took the SAT I got a 1420 like I said earlier. This is without studying and 3 sessions of tutoring. I am planning on studying 60+ hours by the time of the next SAT. I am currently sitting at a 210 AI, unfortunately my sport is one of the higher academic sports so I likely just need a 220 and this should be good enough.
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Depends on school and sport. Football will have more leeway for AI. Track and field less.
Yes AI is very much still used for IVY athletic recruiting. Each school has to have an and overall average AI for all sports combined and also each team/sport will have their own AI limits.
My daughter just went through this for T&F and had a very high AI (235). She was told by one Ivy that they needed 217 but it will depend on that particular recruiting class and how it is shaping up (the average of the whole class has to be a certain number or higher).
I calculate your AI at 210 for whatever that’s worth.
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Thank you so much for this response, this was extremely helpful
Same. The math/ebrw split matters.
I’m also assuming the 3.4 is unweighted in core courses only…so no PE or other elective grades. Is that the case @tomgrace?
According to my counselor my recalculated GPA is a 3.85 uw (using only academic courses) but, I am unsure how accurate that number really is.
That’s a critical number for you to know…we can’t help evaluate your profile or calculate an AI without it.
So, take all your academic course grades on a 4 pt scale where any A=4, any B=3 and so on. Add up those values and divide by the number of grades entered in the numerator to get your uwGPA.
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One of these numbers is wrong, unless you’re getting really crappy grades in non-academic classes.
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This is not true- or at least, not categorically true.
One of my kids had only ONE semester out of 8 where they did not have a class or a lab or a breakout type session on Friday. And it was pure luck that the “no Friday” semester was also one of the harder semesters in terms of course difficulty plus a research project.
You cannot count on a four day week- no matter what your college friends tell you- at least if you plan to graduate on time. If you can pay for an extra semester-- then yes, that will give you enough breathing room to likely schedule yourself at least one day with no classes most semesters. But coursework in your major is going to be sequential-- which means that if a class you need meets MW and a lab on Friday and another class you need only meets T TH for that semester-- you’re stuck. And drop below what your U considers fulltime enrollment and you could risk your eligibility to play your sport.
MANY college students have class every day. Maybe not a lecture every day, but some form of a scheduled commitment where you have to show up.
PLEASE figure out what your level of stamina is likely to be with the help of your medical team. But don’t count on lots of free time to chill…
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I think that this is key.
No one needs to attend an Ivy League school. However, every student should be trying to find a university or college that is a good fit for them. The level of academic rigor that a student wants to handle and is prepared to handle will vary from student to student. Even very smart very academically strong students (such as any student who has any realistic chance to get a 1500 on the SAT – which is superb) do not necessarily need to attend a university that is the academically most demanding and stressful school that they can get into.
And some students need a bit of a break when they are younger (such as an undergraduate student), and then figure out what they want to do and are ready to pour a huge amount of effort into it when they hit graduate school, or when they discover that they love lab work or software engineering or math proofs or something else.
Considering only the very strongest students who I have ever met, they vary a LOT in terms of the extent to which they need “down time” – basically time to chill.
There are hundreds of colleges and universities in the US that are very good for an academically very strong student. Think about what is right for you. Taking care of your health will be part of this.
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Isn’t one’s GPA affected by the number of credits each course is worth? An A in a semester class versus an A in a year-long class don’t get the same weight. I don’t think it’s just a simple average.
It is a simple average for uwGPA regardless the school has trimesters, semesters, or annual grades (or rigor for that matter). If a given school has mixed offerings (which I think is really uncommon), or if a student changed schools with a different calendar, OP should ask their HS counselor how to calculate things.
More common than you think. Many schools offer semester-long English and social studies courses for 11th and 12th. And arts classes are often a semester-long.
If a HS student targeting Ivy Leagues needs assistance in calculating GPA, they might consider less-selective schools.
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