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You may safely replace “some” with “most” or even “all.” </p>
<p>According to the CIRP/HERI survey done by UCLA:
[ul][<em>]10% of students at public universities come from more than 500 miles away
[</em>]14% of all students attend colleges more than 500 miles away[/ul]</p>
<p>Of course, top colleges tend to draw more geographic diversity. Cornell, for example, draws only 45% of its arts & sciences students from a 500 mile radius, and Emory draws 48.8% from within the same.</p>
<p>The 10% of students at public universities cone from 500 miles away conflates the top public unis such as Michigan or UVA which are destinations in and of themselves, and geographically-large state flagships where the in-state student population can be 500 miles away. </p>
<p>You’d really have to look at what % of the population lives within 50, 100, 200, 500 etc miles and compare the % of students coming from each of those breaks. After all, more of the population as a whole lives within, say 20 miles of Columbia than of Vanderbilt.</p>
<p>My impression was formed when I looked at regional % for several different “good” colleges. The ones in Midwest & South I looked at had over or close to 20% from the Northeast, but the Northeast schools had much lower % than those from Midwest or South.</p>
<p>Maybe those particular schools were not representative, I don’t know.</p>
<p>Adding on to the student body quality statistical comparison, perhaps the best measure of depth would be the percentage of students scoring above a certain threshold, eg, th 700+ level for SAT CR and SAT Math and the ACT 30+. </p>
<p>Unfortunately several of the colleges, REVD and non-HYP Ivy alike, don’t publish a CDS and so the most recent year information is not available for all. Below is a comparison using the latest year data for those that provide a CDS and a one-year lag for the non-CDS colleges.</p>
<p>% of students scoring 700+ on SAT CR, College</p>
<p>53% Rice*
44% Emory
61% Vanderbilt
60% Duke*</p>
<p>60% Brown
64% Columbia*
42% Cornell
67% Dartmouth
52% U Penn*</p>
<p>% of students scoring 700+ on SAT Math, College</p>
<p>65% Rice*
58% Emory
71% Vanderbilt
68% Duke*</p>
<p>63% Brown
66% Columbia*
60% Cornell
66% Dartmouth
70% U Penn*</p>
<p>% of students scoring 30+ on ACT, College
79% Rice*
75% Emory
83% Vanderbilt
75% Duke*</p>
<p>70% Brown
73% Columbia*
71% Cornell
73% Dartmouth
76% U Penn*</p>
<p>*No CDS available—data shown is for students entering Fall, 2008</p>
<p>Look, this is all quite silly. These schools are all excellent schools and the differences come down to personal preference and fit. If a bunch of provincial people want to hold the dated and lemming-like belief that Teh Ivies Are The Only Possible Place to Be and Any Other Place is Sloppy Seconds, let 'em. Leaves more room at the other schools. People like that aren’t going anyplace anyway.</p>
<p>P’girl,
Amen to these all being fine schools and one should choose based on personal preferences, but still I think that this type of thread is important, maybe even very important. Who’s ahead or whose behind on various statistics is less important that realizing that the differences are small to meaningless. </p>
<p>Much as you and I might realize the quality of places like REVD, many others may not and thus the information and some of the commentary in this thread can help some readers to appreciate this. Lots of folks don’t have your breadth of experience, both in living locales nor educational/professional experience, and thus need more information to move REVD and other schools onto their radar screens. </p>
<p>I’m not suggesting that you or anyone else become a shill for REVD or any other school, but rather to help others understand the many excellent choices that exist and how the historical powers, such as the non-HYP Ivies, certainly aren’t the only game available for top high school students.</p>
<p>…as if nobody understood this already, and these places were all starved for applcants.</p>
<p>NOT</p>
<p>hawkette, what’s the source for the non-CDS data in post #145? Thanks.</p>
<p>^ prob calculated from USNWR data…</p>
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<p>If so, it must be the premium edition. I was kinda hoping that there’s a free source. ;)</p>
<p>^ I’m sure you can afford the $14.95 if you have a burning desire to fact check hawkette’s numbers.</p>
<p>Why would he do that if he doesn’t even know or a fact that the data is there?
It’s a legitimate question though, if such data is not reported by the schools, where could it possibly come from, and how accurate can it be?</p>
<p>IIRC collegehelp computed estimates along these lines in the past , using the various 75%iles and assuming a normal distribution of scores. However there is no proof that the underlying distributions are normal distributions in each case, and I conjecture that, for the more selective colleges in particular, they aren’t. Low scorers tend to apply less often, and moreover be more often not admitted, and high scorers may tend to matriculate at yet more selective schools. I believe this distorts the underlying distributions away from a normal distribution, perhaps differently for various schools.</p>
<p>Mony,
I sense some defensiveness or something, but anyway I would disagree with your thought that everyone already knew this stuff. If so, it has mostly happened in the last 3 years as applications to REV have expanded significantly. </p>
<p>I would think that Duke was already there (see buddy’s previous comments as representing a certain perspective on the college pecking order that I think is common in the Northeast), but the others have seen their stock rise recently and so the increased app effect is most obvious for them. </p>
<p>45,
The data for the non-CDS schools is from the USNWR online edition. If you have the data for U Penn or any of the others, please post it.</p>
<p>Hawkettte: I would submit that the defensiveness is on the part of the people who feel the need to start thread after thread, to promote schools that are already quite selective as is quite obvious to all.</p>
<p>There seems to be some chip on ones’ shoulder concerning schools that play in a particular sports league. I don’t know why one should have such chip, but the chip is not mine. I am not starting all these pointless self-justification threads.</p>
<p>mony,
I think that the comments of folks like buddy, PABank, making<em>a</em>point (see post # 20) and others makes clear that the way that you and I might see it is not necessarily how everyone sees it. Hopefully the information and perspective presented here will educate those carrying outdated notions and/or false senses of superiority. </p>
<p>I will concede, however, that over my time on CC, I’ve seen an appreciable rise in visibility and respect accorded to the REVD schools and other less historically prominent elites. As I’ve posted on several occasions, the pie is growing for excellent college choices available to top high school students. IMO, while that might have a dilutive impact for the Ivies, I still believe that it is overall a positive development.</p>
<p>“…false senses of superiority”</p>
<p>Seems to me more motivated by senses of inferiority.<br>
No idea why, these schools are all famous and very selective.
As are others, that you excluded.</p>
<p>In all I most agree with #55.</p>
<p>Perhaps pizzagirl should now start a thread on “NoChiWUHOP”, and regurgitate every statistic in US News to show that Northwestern, Chicago, Wash U and Johns Hopkins are every bit as good, or dare she say superior to, REVD. And then go on and on about it for 20 threads.</p>
<p>But why would she? Why indeed…</p>
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Most colleges fill out the CDS; they just don’t all choose to release it. The numbers cited by US News, IPEDS, College Board, etc. are almost always drawn directly from the Common Data Sets - regardless of their availability to the general public.</p>
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Hey, why not? Can’t be any worse than some of the other threads from the past - for instance, the rather memorable “sexiest posters on CC” thread from a few years ago. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>As long as people aren’t distorting facts in such threads, I don’t see the harm. Nobody is forced to read them, after all.</p>
<p>percent change in applications</p>
<p>2006-2009, 2001-2009, school</p>
<p>66% 99% Vanderbilt University
45% 85% Emory University
36% 50% Brown University
28% 53% Harvard University
27% 66% Rice University
25% 61% Princeton University
22% 108% Cornell University
19% 62% Dartmouth College
17% 77% Yale University
15% 33% Columbia University in the City of New York
12% 34% Duke University
11% 19% University of Pennsylvania</p>
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<p>a quick check on collegeboard shows that Dartmouth’s 25th-75th percentile of first year students is 30-34, meaning at least 75+% of students scored 30+. Columbia’s is 31-34, so again 75+% and more likely 80+% score 30+ on the act. </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Dartmouth College - SAT®, AP®, CLEP®](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)</p>